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Alternator for a CA

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Mike in Ohio

06-05-2007 17:19:01




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Thinking about converting the ca to 12 volt since it needs a new battery.I took the alternator off of my 95 buick when I scrapped it last fall with this in mind. The plug on the top that has 2 wires on the alternators I used on b and wd45 has only 1 wire coming out of it, there were I think 3 or 4 terminals under that plug but only the 1 wire. Can I use this alternator and if so what does that wire get connected to.Thanks alot Mike

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steve(ill)

06-07-2007 06:51:54




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
a diode is used to keep the flow from going backward when off. the resistor drops voltage in both directions so it does restrict when off, and the drop when running makes the regulator kick in quicker. the diode may work on the CS130 also, i have never tried it. I was told by a DELCO engineer years ago to put a 10 ohm, 10 watt resistor on the 10 SI and a 100 ohm 10 watt when using the newer alternators. It shows that in the service manual when running a "test" on the bench. They are about 3 inches long and 3/8 inch thick and cost $1.

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Mike in Ohio

06-07-2007 17:36:18




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to steve(ill), 06-07-2007 06:51:54  
Thanks again for all your help. Mike



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Mike in Ohio

06-06-2007 17:33:33




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
Thanks alot for all the responses.One more question comes up from your 1st answer Steve, you mention an 100 ohm 10 watt resistor in the line from the switch to the alternator. On the b and wd45 I used #276-1661 diode from radio shack in that line per olds advice, is the resistor used instead because it is a newer style alternator? I used a 10si on those conversions. Thanks again. Mike



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steve(ill)

06-06-2007 15:24:00




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
ALL delco alternators are basically the same since 1970. you just need to find which spade terminal is the excitation terminal. the old 10 SI was #1, the new units are "L". the pulleys are all the same bore, also all generators. just take one off and install the other. the nut pinches it to the shaft- no problem.



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El Toro

06-06-2007 05:24:29




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
You can use the Hitachi alternator # 14231 if you don't have much room. Napa has them and their # is 2138130. Cost is around $50.00. Hal



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Jerry Coulter

06-06-2007 05:15:32




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
I don't think you can use an alternator that new. It has a serpentine belt pulley and I think the charge rate is controlled by the computer. You need an alternator for an older application from the 1970s which has the internal regulator. If it can be made to work, that would be great - it is smaller and would fit easier behind the steering arm. I want to hear the follow up on this. Jerry



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John T

06-06-2007 04:51:58




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
Mike, My D15 has a GM 10 SI 3 wire alternator configured to work like a one wire but actually BETTER I think. Heres how I wire GM 10 SI 3 wire alternators:

Heres how I wire a GM 10SI Alternator and remember, it requires NEGATIVE GROUND !!!!! !

The big rear main alternator output terminal goes to the wire that used to be connected to the BAT terminal on the Voltage Regulator or Cutout Relay. HOWEVER if that wire wasnt already upgraded, when I convert from a Genny to an Alternator, I replace that wire with a 10 Gauge and it runs from the alternators main output up to the LOAD (NOT to battery/starter) side of the ammeter. I also replace/use 10 Gauge from the ammeters other SUPPLY terminal to the battery/starter.

The little side number 2F Voltage Sense Terminal gets connected (use a short 14 jumper wire) right up to to and with the big main output terminal mentioned above.

For the little 1R side Excitation Terminal, run a 16 or so gauge wire from the ignition switches IGN (which is HOT ONLY when ignition is turned on) terminal and in series with it place a 10 ohm 5 watt current limiting protection resistor (dont really need that much wattage power rating, but they are heavy duty built and easy to wire). Then in the rare event the tractor continues to run cuz of alternator backfeed when the ignition is switched OFF, I add in series a 5 amp 50 PIV minimum Diode. The diode must be wired with negative cathode end to the alternator and positive anode end to the switch. Again, the ratings are not that exact but about any diode over a few amps and 50 volts or so works.

Dont forget to change the battery to negative ground and the coil needs to be wired so the negative goes to ground via the distributor points and the positive gets power from the ignition switch and you have to reverse ammeter leads also if you�re just now changing polarities.

Good luck Ol John T in Indiana

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steve(ill)

06-05-2007 19:10:54




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 Re: Alternator for a CA in reply to Mike in Ohio, 06-05-2007 17:19:01  
yes you can use the Buick alternator. IT is probably made by DELCO. the 1 wire unit on your other tractor is a modified unit, will need to rev up the motor to get it to kick in.... the Buick alternator will need a 10 gauge wire to the big lug on the back of it, and a signal wire to one of the smll spade terminals on the plug. they should have letters on them to tell you which pin is which. they should say P,L,F,S. you need to put 12 volts to the L terminal to get it to start charging. This 12 volts comes from the key switch so when you shut off the motor, you kill the 12 volt supply to L. the wire from key to L should have a 100 ohm, 10 watt resistor in the line. you can buy one at Radio Shack for $1. if you send me an e-mail i can give you a drawing. I use the CS120 and 130 alternators on 3 or 4 tractors. [email protected]

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