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Re: B hyd's still no go please help

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Rod (NH)

04-28-2007 18:19:28




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Hi Chad,

Before you start opening up the hydraulic pump itself, I'd strongly recommend you purchase the official AC Service Manual for the B&C. That's the best source of information on disassembly, inspection and testing of that pump. The I&T Shop Manual that covers the B is good for supplemental pump info and you should have that also, but it is definitely not a substitute for the AC manual. You probably will have to go through everything on a methodical basis regarding that pump. Hopefully you'll find that just an internal cleaning and reassembly is all that is required. Don't bother going the rebuild kit route - at least not yet. Those are extremely expensive and do not include some of the key parts that might need to be replaced. If you find that parts need replacing, I'd investigate purchasing an already rebuilt pump from a supplier. At least that way you can get some core credit. That is unless you find a single bad part that is available separately from AGCO as a replacement - some parts are available separately and some are not. When I did my pump, I was very lucky. I bought it off Ebay since my B didn't have a pump to begin with. It didn't work. Come to find out someone had previously disassembled the thing and apparently lost the ball that makes the relief valve function. I was fortunate in being able to find a ball from a ball bearing that was the appropriate size and that worked out well. To give you an idea of the costs involved, a rebuilt pump should run somewhere around $300, including a core credit. For a comparison, two years ago, the "rebuild kit" from AGCO was about $200 as I recall and that did not include some key parts that would have to be purchased separately, if needed. Rebuilding it yourself can be a costly gamble unless you have it all sorted out as to what you actually need and have evaluated all costs beforehand.

You apparently have no flow at all, even out an open hose. Do you know the history of the tractor? Has the pump ever worked before? Do you even have the lobes on the pto shaft to drive the two pistons in the pump? Perhaps the pistons are just stuck in their bores. Who knows. Get the manual(s) and go from there.

Here's something else to consider: If you haven't cleaned out the transmission/differential/pto cavity before, I'd do that also - before I removed the pump from the pto housing. Drain out everything - there are three drain plugs. Install some light oil, say SAE10 or lower (I've heard some use kerosene), and drive the tractor around for a while. Then drain that all out to flush out any sludge. Then a fresh refill through that single fill opening with some combination transmission/hydraulic fluid. I use Amalie All-Trac 245 which is an SAE10W-20 combo fluid but there are others available.

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TxAllisMan

04-29-2007 11:28:19




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 Re: B hyd's still no go please help in reply to Rod (NH), 04-28-2007 18:19:28  
Inlet to pump may be plugged.

When I replaced my PTO to trans seal I was shocked to see what was inside the transmission.

As everyone said above clean out trans.

Heres something you might look at also.

Is the position control valve on the outside of the pump moving when you pull the lift handle?

I saw a C one time where the control valve plate was broken at the pump and looked to be working until closser inspection showed differently.

If you have a source for a very low air pressure you can put air pressure into the outlet hose and work the handle to see if the valve that operates the lowering section of the pump is stuck.

I know there are people here thats going to say dont try it but it worked on mine when it started acting up.

Im not saying that you need 100 psi but maybee 5 psi max and and hand pump and duct tape will work fine.

I think also that you can engage the pto with the tractor out of gear and engine not running and you can turn the pto by hand and feel the lobes of the pto on the pump.

If you have to take the pump off its not a big job but I do suggest if you decide to drop the pto assembly dont do it by yourself because its heavy and hard to handle.

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