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MJF

03-14-2007 19:18:20




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I found one of these that the local Amish have. He's taking it to a sale in a couple weeks. I kinda like the tractor don't know anything about it though. I know he said the hi/low don't work very good. I guess if you push on the shifter it works better. Can anyone give me a hint on what might be the problem and how to fix it. Sorry about the poor info. I usually dealing with red and green tractor not orange Thanks

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Joe(TX)

03-17-2007 05:08:00




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to MJF, 03-14-2007 19:18:20  
Most likely the problem is in the linkage. Usually the bushing on the bellcrank or worn pin holes.



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B. Jones

03-16-2007 18:55:05




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to MJF, 03-14-2007 19:18:20  
Dear MJF If you can, find a pressure gauge and hook it up to the high low valve. We run a 200 ( same as the 190XT) and if I remember correctly they are supposed to run around 180 pounds or so. I really need to check on it though. I had a gauge hooked up one day and I remember if you pushed the lever a bit farther it made quite a bit of difference in the pressure reading. Also I was thinking that if I adjusted it to up the pressure on one side then it went down on the other. I think the adjustment is pretty important to getting the correct pressure readings. Is it a gas or diesel? Our 200 has the turbo and is very powerful for its size. I hope you have an adjustment problem but it could be more serious. B. Jones

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JOHN HARMON

03-16-2007 18:54:42




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to MJF, 03-14-2007 19:18:20  
If that is the only problem with a tractor that is 40-45 years old , It has led a very sheltered life. How many 40-45 year old cars and trucks are still on the road? I bought a 1965 AC 190 gas new and used it until 1971 as my main hard work tractor and had no problems one. If you abuse them, they will break. People who say 190's are weak Tractors are the same ones who hook one up to a 5/16 plow in Clay loam and it spins the wheels,so they say it is powerless, it spun the wheels did it not? 190's were a good Tractor until the Hot Rodders went after more power and when their efforts caused major damage they Black Balled the Tractor.Your prospect sounds like it only needs some minor TLC and I would say go for the purchase if the price is right, and on the"Amish" subject, some of the New Order Amish that exists around Shippshewana and Elkhart Indiana and over near Kidron and Millersburg Ohio do in fact drive Cars and use modern Farm Machinery.They are not "Mennonites"as suggested.This is not hard to verify. Amish in Wisc,ILL, Mo,Ky,Tenn etc are where they are because of fair Land Prices and because they do not subscribe to such a liberal Philosophy Practiced by the Amish first mentioned and other causes we "English" People find hard to understand.

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jra

03-16-2007 05:28:58




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to MJF, 03-14-2007 19:18:20  
Hard telling what is wrong with the high-low, ie, power director clutch. Could be out of adjustment linkage that works the valve, or bad valve which would be an easy fix. Could be leaking seals in the clutch or worn out disks, then it would be expensive to fix, maybe more than the tractor is worth.



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MJF

03-16-2007 10:05:11




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to jra, 03-16-2007 05:28:58  
We thought maybe the linkage because the fella said if you put pressure on the lever it works better.



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tngleaner

03-15-2007 07:15:57




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to MJF, 03-14-2007 19:18:20  
the 190 190xt tractors were very good tractors, i have three , they are a good size, the problem is they get abused. many will jump out of gear mainly because people wont stop they just grind them in gear . the earlier ones have a lighter rear end ,that added to the 301 engine which can easily be tuned to 120 horses equals drivetrain problems.they are just like any other 1960s tractor they are as good as they have been treated,you can get good and bad in any color.

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old

03-14-2007 21:55:01




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to MJF, 03-14-2007 19:18:20  
The 190 and the XT 190 where 2 of the problem tractors that Allis made. The early ones had tranny problem and the Hi/low thing is a hyd problem. Now if hes amishes he would not own a tractor so I believe you need to back up some and make sure of things. Now a menanight will have a tractor



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MJF

03-15-2007 12:42:22




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to old, 03-14-2007 21:55:01  
Well Old, all Amish are not the same. We have a couple different kinds around here. Some cannot own tractors at all,some can own them but must have steel wheels, and some can have tractors with rubber. I don't really know if he is Amish or Menanite*. In fact I didn't really care I was more interested in the tractor but if you'd like to know perhaps I could find out for ya. Thanks everyone else for the help I guess I'll just have to wait and see how much it goes for and decide if I want to take a chance.

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John (MO)

03-15-2007 06:32:07




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 Re: AC 190 in reply to old, 03-14-2007 21:55:01  
Many Amish around here use tractors as stationary power units, they just don`t take them to the field. They also run repair shops where they work or other peoples tractors. I suspect they sometimes buy one to resell also. It would sound to me like a a tractor with a bad power director would be ideal for some of their uses, and might be exactly why they have it. I really don`t know anything about the Power Directors on the 190 series tractors. On the earlier D series, the problem you mention might be easily solved with adding or removing some shims. Good luck.

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