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NewTo AC: WD45--need help w/what to offer on one??

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DennisT

03-05-2007 18:16:05




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I've owned other brands of tractors, but was asked today if I was interested in an Allis WD-45. I actually was given one of these many years ago, but it was in such poor shape and not running I resold it for parts. However, I always admired this model. Offer today did not specify price. He said they've had it for a long time and it is/was used for mowing. Now, he said, it burns a LOT of oil, smokes, etc., but starts immediately, has lots of power and runs good. He feels he doesn't want to spend the high cost of rebuilding the engine so is interested in selling it. I don't know year; do know it has wide front and is a gas rig. Good rear tires; so-so fronts (which do not matter).

The only reason I see for heavy oil consumption (if not leaking), and if it smokes heavily, is cracked/broken rings or simply so much taper/wear in cylinders it is blowing oil by and it is being burned. Are these known for cracking/breaking rings? (i.e. scored cylinder walls) Comments on engine wear-out symptoms?? (besides what I just reported)

I have NO idea what this might be worth, but do know my retirement mad money is a little slim. I would never put many hours on a rig like this, but could use one for wind break maintenance, light harrow work and/or general chores. I could probably buy a lot of oil for the low hours I would put on it. Or ..... . ???

Am looking at this website and others for sales and prices asked/obtained. If any of you have opinions of value on something like this please comment. Thanks, Dennis, Eastern Washington state

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dej(JED)

03-06-2007 11:47:11




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 Re: NewTo AC: WD45--need help w/what to offer on o in reply to DennisT, 03-05-2007 18:16:05  
I wouldn't go more than $500 for what you described. Nice ones here in western, Pa only bring about $1500 in tip top shape.



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DennisT

03-06-2007 20:10:13




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 Re: NewTo AC: WD45--need help w/what to offer on o in reply to dej(JED), 03-06-2007 11:47:11  
Thank you for the value comment. That is exactly what I'd like to pay for it.

Dennis



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John (MO)

03-06-2007 06:42:32




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 Re: NewTo AC: WD45--need help w/what to offer on o in reply to DennisT, 03-05-2007 18:16:05  
I`d suspect valve guide wear as the reason for the oil use and smoke. Could be rings but I`d rather doubt it. No problem to replace rings or even a cylinder sleeve if that should be necessary. Do a differential compression test on each cylinder and listen to see where the leak is IMHO a regular running compression test doesn`t tell you much. Oh sure you can tell if a cylinder is weak, but you can`t tell why. You will want to check the transmission on an Allis. Some people tried to shift gears using the hand clutch or even ground the gears a lot when using the foot clutch and this wore the gears in the transmission. These tractors have the tendancy to pop out of gear when you let up on the throttle going down hill. Try each gear. If it is bad it can happen almost anytime but the hill test is a good way to tell. If it pops out of a gear or 2, pull the transmission tower and look at the gears. The problem could be the gear wear or it could be the shifting forks are getting worn or bent. The latter is a much less expensive fix than having to replace a gear or two. Rear tires can be a big expence in older tractors and really affect the price. If this tractor has good rear tires and the transmission is solid, then I"d say she is a $1200 to $1500 auction tractor. Transmission gear problems would drop it to around a $1000 in my opinion. You`ll see them at auctions bring some less and quite a bit more, it just all depends on who and how many people want a particular tractor, and how baddly. Myself, I`d be a lot less worried about some oil use and smoke than I would unknown transmission condition.

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DennisT

03-06-2007 20:09:23




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 Re: NewTo AC: WD45--need help w/what to offer on o in reply to John (MO), 03-06-2007 06:42:32  
Thank you for the transmission comments. That is pretty important and I did not realize they were problematic. I had a John Deere AR many years ago I got cheap because it jumped out of gear; I figured I had a big expense coming but took my time, pulled the cover, tried to understand the forks and engagments....discovered I could, and did, increase gear mesh, and it fixed it for many years afterwards.

Thanks, Dennis

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Texas Denny

03-05-2007 18:47:01




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 Re: NewTo AC: WD45--need help w/what to offer on o in reply to DennisT, 03-05-2007 18:16:05  
I bought my WD-45 with a shredder at an auction for $1250. That is a low price for mine because mechanically, it is almost perfect. If yours has problems, $1000 is probably a good price. One in good shape is worth more like $1500 to $2000 or even more.

Since it starts good and has good power, you might have some other problem. One that comes to mind is plugged ports for draining oil back to the pan from the valve train. If the oil can't get back, it could fill and allow oil to go down around the intake valves. I've never seen this but I suppose it is possible.

Never seen a broken oil ring on an Allis but I suppose this could happen too. Generally, oil consumption goes up on an Allis when all the rings are worn out - and this usually means reduced power. In any case, high oil consumption usually means fowled plugs.

For limited use, an overhaul could buy a lot of oil (if the problem doesn't extend to fowling plugs). If you can't maintain plugs, an overhaul is the only solution.

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DennisT

03-05-2007 21:56:52




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 Re: Thanks, good points, ......need help w/what to in reply to Texas Denny, 03-05-2007 18:47:01  
Thank you. You have some good points and the value comment helps too. I'd like to get this one for around $700, but of course we'd all like to buy as low as possible. We'll see.

I'm not sure what else to look for on it. Evidently some came with power steering, which I'd really like, but not sure that is very common.

Dennis



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Texas Denny

03-06-2007 07:32:10




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 Re: Thanks, good points, ......need help w/what to in reply to DennisT, 03-05-2007 21:56:52  
Power steering was added late in the history of WD-45 tractors. There aren't many with original power steering.



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