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AC B pto seals

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Wesly Stewart

03-01-2007 20:05:40




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I have a 41 B that is leaking from the belt and pto shafts on the rear of the tractor . Does any one know of a part # that napa or a source where I can get them ?


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Weslyn




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Rod (NH)

03-02-2007 08:36:00




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 Re: AC B pto seals in reply to Wesly Stewart, 03-01-2007 20:05:40  
Hi Weslyn,

Assuming your pto housing is original for that year, it will have a 1-1/8" diameter pto shaft and both the pto shaft and the belt pully shaft will have a spiral groove in them for a leather seal, not a modern rubber lip-type seal. The groove in the shaft will not permit a seal using a rubber lip-type seal. When I did both those seals on my '42B, I was able to use a lip-type seal on the pto shaft anyway by positioning the sealing lip just beyond the end of the spiral groove. I used a National #450162 seal. For the belt pulley shaft, it was not possible to position a lip-type seal outside the groove. I used a stainless steel speedi-sleeve and a rubber lip-type seal for that. You can see photos and specific details for that installation here. The parts should be available from any local source of power transmisssion equipment. Caution: there were two different shafts for the belt pulley and two different shaft sizes for the pto used, depending on year. Due to the significant interchangeability of parts on Bs and Cs, unless you are positive that your shafts are original for the year of your tractor, you should measure them carefully before verifying the correct size and purchasing any seals.

Note: since I did mine, I have been advised that the old leather seal for the belt pulley shaft is (or was at one time) available from National as part #450444 but I have not confirmed that number as correct. Personally, I would tend to avoid the old leather seals if possible as future availability is very questionable.

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Pappy

03-01-2007 22:02:28




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 Re: AC B pto seals in reply to Wesly Stewart, 03-01-2007 20:05:40  
We just rebuilt a '39 B and got all the seals at our local auto parts store. Just measure the shaft and then the hole and give them the dimensions. Should not be a problem.



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TexMac

03-01-2007 20:37:28




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 Re: AC B pto seals in reply to Wesly Stewart, 03-01-2007 20:05:40  
My 39 took the following:

PTO oil seal 40162S - 2 required
Belt drive oil seal 7245

The leather seals for the PTO are apparently no longer available. Your shafts have grooves in them to keep the leather lubricated, that is why you need 2 of the skinny rubber ones put back to back on the PTO. The leather one for the belt pulley was still available a couple of years ago. You will probably need to go to a real bearing supply house to find them. I do not remember the brands. (Maybe Chicago leather and National, the bearing guy will be able to find them)

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Cletrac68

03-02-2007 16:20:27




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 Re: AC B pto seals in reply to TexMac, 03-01-2007 20:37:28  
I stopped at my local AGCO dealer and ask for PTO seal for a 1944 'C' - Allis Chalmers P/N 206538. The current AGCO P/N is 70206538 (he had it in stock). Turned out to be a National Seal 450162. Also asked about Allis Chalmers P/N 207993 (oil groove belt pulley seal). His AGCO P/N is now 70225450 - Parts book indicated use for 'oil groove shaft'. He had that in stock also - in the package was National Seal 450444S60 - the rubber inside is very wide (about .375" when flatten out). Seal has metal case on both sides and is over 1/2 wide.

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Cletrac68

04-14-2007 16:32:31




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 Re: AC B pto seals in reply to Cletrac68, 03-02-2007 16:20:27  
Installed the belt pulley seal using ACGO P/N 70225450. Shaft surface was a bit rough - I installed a Speedi-Sleeve 99138 over shaft prior to seal install. I will find out how it works when I try my Woods L59 mower this summer.



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