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tim[in]

02-27-2007 12:08:32




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i have a 58 d 17 i'm thinking of overhauling. my question after looking at the tisco prices for the kits and am wondering. how much does it costs for doing it yourself. i assume the head should be done at the same time. so what should it cost for the engine, bearing, and head work? how long does it take. i am thingking about maybe paying a local mechanic to do it since i dont have a decent place to work on an engine right now out of the weather, as compared to having a dealer do it.or should i have a dealer do the overhaul,clutch, and brakes all at once and be done with it. i am fouling plugs on 1 or 2 cylinders. i plan on keeping and using this tractor for a long time, thanks in advance. i am planning on putting up some kind of building this year. trying to figure the cheapest way to go. i want 14' high and wide doors.

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A/C Boy

03-01-2007 06:01:42




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 02-27-2007 12:08:32  
I am in the process of rebuilding a D-15 Series 2 AC and heres the parts that I put in the 160 cu in engine.
oil pump
engine total overhaul kit
valve train kit
rod bearings and main bearings .020 on the mains and .010 on the rods.
replaced one rod (big expence)
all new bushings
new cluch, pressure plate and throw out bearing.
new governor
cam bearings
hoses, muffler belt oil filter
air cleaner filter
Note:
(crank pulley be careful the crank pulley has a double set screw). I found out the hard way and had to buy a new crank pulley.
Had the head and valve job done at the (machine shop).
crank had to be welded and ground. (machine shop)
also fly wheel had to be turned. (Machine Shop)
this thing will be in # one shape when I am done or like a new engine.
If you are going to the trouble to remove the engine then I think to prevent future problems with the engine. You also most got to do these things to it. Here is where I got my parts and (Darcy) the owner of Prairie Implements has a vast knowledge of these machines and gave me many tips- (Little TIP Head gasket it depends on the color and type of head gasket wheather you use a sealant on it) -on what to look for and what to be careful with. His # is 218-338-6156. oh, one other thing when you replace the sleevs, use castor oil (available at the drug store) to lub the o-rings. It has less effect on the rubber than any other lub. The o-rings want swell on you. Good luck

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tim[in]

03-01-2007 13:27:20




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to A/C Boy , 03-01-2007 06:01:42  
how did you know it was time for a complete overhaul with all the parts and things.?



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A/C Boy

03-02-2007 06:20:01




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 03-01-2007 13:27:20  
I bought the tractor at a yard sale. It was not running and they did not know what was wrong with it, office type you know. It had been run low on oil and one of the rod caps had come off. The pal nut had come off and then the nut that holes the rod cap.It scored the crank and bent the rod. other wise the tractor was in good mechiniacl shape. It had low hours as the only thing it had ever done was bush hog the fields twice a year. 18 ac little farm. So once I tore it down then I could see what it needed. The tractor will still be worth more then I got in it and I will keep it as it is a nice size tractor to have, not to small and not to big. I will be selling my 1715 ford as it is to small for what I use it for.

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Texas Denny

02-28-2007 10:32:05




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 02-27-2007 12:08:32  
If the cylinders are worn enough to require boring the sleeves, I think it would be cheaper to buy new sleeves. A lot depends on the condition of everything. Most of the time, when I've pulled down engines, the cylinder wear was within manufacturer spec or just out. I've had a couple that were nominal. In these cases, I just put in new rings. I've rebuilt 10 engines and I've not rebored any. Even if the cylinders are a bit out of spec, new rings will improve the engine a bunch and give you years of use. My cheapest rebuild was $119. All but one was under $200. Usually it's just gaskets and rings and elbow grease. Some of the time, cleaning the valves and lapping them provides acceptable valves. But usually I turn the valves on my laythe and I have a seat grinder for cleaning up good seats.

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tim[in]

02-28-2007 17:33:01




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to Texas Denny, 02-28-2007 10:32:05  
when i heard of reboring i thought they rebored the block for bigger pistons or sleeves. i didnt know you could rebore the sleeve?9i know mine probably need the newer no lead hardened valve seats.i ve heard guys on here talking about if you do just the rings then the engine blows up later from the added pressure. or is that just from the ones that are out of tolerance?this sounds like what i've been hoping to hear. i do know i need to get the heads done because the exhaust ports are burnt out on and around the exhaust manifold.thanks again=)

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tim[in]

02-27-2007 16:28:58




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 02-27-2007 12:08:32  
thanks. i just need year and serial number when i do order a kit dont i ? and except for the bearing and maybe needing the crank journals turned, all the other parts should fit and work shouldnt they?



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old

02-27-2007 17:10:27




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 02-27-2007 16:28:58  
That all depends on if your putting in new sleeves of haveing the one you have bored etc. Either way I would do the machine shop stuff then order the kit or you can/will end up with the wrong parts or not enough parts



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tim[in]

02-27-2007 18:51:06




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to old, 02-27-2007 17:10:27  
if i have it rebored for oversize pistons, will the increase in hp be worth the increase in fuel consumption?i've heard that gas tractors in the 60-100 hp range are real fuel hogs. wouldnt mind having more hp at times. thanks for all your help.=)



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old

02-27-2007 19:15:55




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 02-27-2007 18:51:06  
If bored you will gain a little more HP but not all that much. Maybe 2 or 3 HP and also the amount of fuel used will not go up much if any. You can also buy over bore kits which would increase the bore by about an 1/8 inch but again the gain in HP will not be all that much



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old

02-27-2007 12:46:09




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 Re: overhaul d 17 in reply to tim[in], 02-27-2007 12:08:32  
No matter how you do it your looking at around $1000 in parts and machine shop work if not a little more. Now if you then add labor from a dealer or other machinic then you can add at least another $1000-1500. Also you never want to buy a kit before you open it up because till you open it up you will not know how good or how bad things are in it and that can cause you to have to add more $ if you find things bad. Plus if you already have the kit once you have it and find its wrong then you have a kit you can't use and most places will not take them back

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