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D17 vs 185

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Salty

02-04-2007 12:52:23




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Will an Allis loader off of a 185 work on a D17? Did the 185 have better hydraulics than the D17?




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cadet trooper

02-05-2007 17:33:41




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to Salty, 02-04-2007 12:52:23  
JMS, I'm confused I was taught that live means as long as the engine turns you have hydraulic pressure independant meant it relied on a clutch arraignment i.e. two stage clutch like the wet hand clutch versus the foot clutch. Just a clarification please?LOL, CT



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JMS/MN

02-06-2007 14:27:33




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to cadet trooper, 02-05-2007 17:33:41  
Just the opposite. Think of it this way- live power means you can maintain pto or hyd while stopping wheel motion of the tractor. (ie- AC hand clutch, power director, Ford two-stage clutch). Independent systems let you ENGAGE pto or hyd any time the engine is running, irregardless of wheel motion. Independent pto will have its own clutch working directly off the engine powerline, hyd driven directly off the engine as well. (Farmall IPTO, JD 4020, etc). Major difference in systems, and you can tell that it bugs me when people say the AC system is not live. People looking for a tractor, wanting live power, should not pass up an AC because of misinformation or homemade terminology.

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cadet trooper

02-06-2007 16:14:47




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to JMS/MN, 02-06-2007 14:27:33  
Thank Ya! I'm with you, people who come to this site need to get accurate info it's been 25years since I had an AC dealership and there have been questions asked here that I would have bet that I had the ultimate answer but after seeing someone elses answer I've had to renig a little good thing I didn't bet any money. I found out one thing when I was selling that you learned more about what you were selling from present owners because they do their homework. Keep up the good work.CT

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cadet trooper

02-05-2007 16:38:16




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to Salty, 02-04-2007 12:52:23  
JMS, I'm confused I was taught that live means as long as the engine turns you have hydraulic pressure independant meant it relied on a clutch arraignment i.e. two stage clutch like the wet hand clutch versus the foot clutch. Just a clarification please?LOL, CT



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michigan allis

02-05-2007 04:40:02




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to Salty, 02-04-2007 12:52:23  
the ac 400 and 500 loaders will fit, may need to adjust the rear mountinggs a bit, the hydraulics depend on which d17 you have, the series 1,2,and 3 all have the internal cam pump, high pressure-low volume and work but are slow and less powerful. the series 4 had the external pump on the old pully drive and were the actual predecessor to the 185 hydraylics, high pressure-high volume, they work great, but still the 185 is a bigger heavier tractor for a loader, depends on what applications you are doing, the d17 may be overloaded for its weight, be careful.

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Gatz

02-05-2007 10:20:54




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to michigan allis, 02-05-2007 04:40:02  
Also, the SerIV D17's hydraulics were truly live as there was an independent hollow shaft directly driven by a splined hub on the clutch plate.
The 185 would be similar in this respect as MI Allis pointed out.
Earlier D17 hydraulics were not live in the sense that the pump was driven by the main clutch shaft.



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JMS/MN

02-05-2007 15:24:01




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 Re: D17 vs 185 in reply to Gatz, 02-05-2007 10:20:54  
D17, Series I, II, III, were live. Series IV was independent. Hydraulic systems are either non-live, live, or independent. Know the difference and use the correct terminology, rather than mislead people.



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