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Need some ideas on how to plump

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old

12-28-2006 17:54:06

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Well I'm working on a 3 point for my C and need some ideas one plumbing the hyds. It would be easy if I just had the 3 point but with haveing the front lift also it makes it harder to work out. I want to be able to use both the front lift and the 3 point at the same time but with only one outlet on the hyds its hard to make 2 things work independet of each other. Any ideas guy??
Thanks

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TxAllisMan

12-30-2006 22:02:22

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

Hope the pics work.

Pics show a FARMALL TRACTOR BEHLEN POWER STEERING UNIT IHC which is on EBAY and a Charlynn Power Steering unit off of an M Farmall.

Was thinking of using one of these types of powering steering units on my C

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http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/80/e4/0523_1.JPG

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TxAllisMan

12-30-2006 21:39:41

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

BEHLEN POWER STEERING UNIT IHC is one of the power steeering units im considering

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LWD

12-29-2006 12:45:05

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

You could have live power if you use the pump from a farmall super H., on my other post it was pump from a myer snow plow. have a good new year.

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steve(ill)

12-28-2006 20:32:11

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

i bought a small spool valve and mounted under the seat, it has one port in and two ports out. you have a knob on the end of the spool and it is a push - pull spool. takes about 2 seconds to swith from fron ram to rear ram, use the same factory pump- valve, and lever to run into the new valve. cost about $40. at hydraulic outlet store.

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LWD

12-28-2006 20:20:58

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

I have a double valve from a ih loader under the seat of my `c`, on my `b` I have a myers snow electric motor and pump with the electronic valves, one valve was for angle and one for lift. both work for me.

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chalmersbob

12-28-2006 19:52:07

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

in the summer, block your snowplow cylinders, remove the hose using a quick disconnect, and attach to the mower Bob

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old

12-28-2006 20:06:04

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to chalmersbob, 12-28-2006 19:52:07

Ya I could do that but I use the front lift a lot moveing things around all the time. Plus with adding a 3 point so I can use a bruch hog or back blade so I can get weight on the back that will not work well. In the long run I want to be able to use all 3 things at the same time or at least about the same time. One of those things where I wish it had live hyds like my Olivers have but it doesn;t so I have to figure a way around things. I know if I keep adding things to this C I may end up over loading the poor little thing so it will not want to pull its self. LOL

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JMS/MN

12-28-2006 18:11:51

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 17:54:06

Two options: diverter valve routes to one line or the other. Move the handle to select the circuit. Rock pickers was one application years ago. Or plug a double (two lever) one-way valve into the system, feed both lines from it. Each application is one-way power, right? Power up, gravity down?

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JMS/MN

12-28-2006 18:21:06

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to JMS/MN, 12-28-2006 18:11:51

Cheaper version: Where your pressure line comes from the control valve, install a 'T', run a hose to each use, and install a shut-off valve in each line. Ball valves would be quick acting. Open the valve going to the end you want to use, leave the other shut. Just make sure the 'T' and the valves can handle the pressure.

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old

12-28-2006 19:37:00

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to JMS/MN, 12-28-2006 18:21:06

Your 2nd idea was about what I was thinking. I already have a T in the line with one of the ends plugged off right now. Now heres the next kicker. In the summer I mount the sickle mower on it and of course it also takes a hyd cylinder so then I'll have to add another T to the line and another shut off valve. I had thought about going with a valve body but then it would take 2 hands to make things work and that wouldn't work if plowing snow or useing a back blade. I also figured you would be one of the people that came in and gave me an idea or 2 thanks JMS

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JMS/MN

12-28-2006 22:10:59

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 19:37:00

I appreciate your confidence! After I posted my second response, I read your message again and realized you wanted to do BOTH at once- which would necessitate a two lever valve, plumbed in to the system. Hey- I'm a cheapskate- so here is another suggestion for hydraulic multiplicity..... ...I HAUNT salvage yards. I have a 'nummy' shelf in my shop- stuff like hydraulics that I've picked up for next to nothing, most likely won't live long enough to use it all up, but..with six kids, three boys that like mechanics..... never pass up a bargain. Typical for kids whose parents farmed through the Depression- never throw any good stuff away. Easily over 3 grand new value, picked from the trash for a few hundred. Here's what I've found- typical combines 1960-1980+ used Cessna pumps and valves. Gleaner, Massey, JD, IH, others. Cessna valves have end pieces, triangular, about 3 inches per side- with what I call 'slices' in between. Each slice is a valve, either one-way or two-way, plus the relief valve slice. Paint color is different, but the slices can be mixed/matched, to create stacked valves for whatever you need. Just need different length connecting bolts to hold the stack together. Slices have 'O' rings between them- put as many together as you need. Use a couple single acting valves to create two circuits on your AC. Another source- under the platform on a JD 800 swather are small valves that run the header lift and reel lift. Don't remember- they might be one-way as well. Same valves are used on minor applications on x15 IH combines. Cheap valves. First combine was simple- 2-3 valves, then up to 6 circuits- same basic Cessna system- just longer bolts and more 'slices'.

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old

12-28-2006 22:24:24

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to JMS/MN, 12-28-2006 22:10:59

Yep I've been called a pack rat more then once over the years. I've got 2 or 3 valve bodys in my junk box and had thought about useing one of them but the problem is that the pump on a C doesn't pump all the time does it?? If so how do you tap into it and where?? If it pumps all the time the PTO is going then half the battle is won and I just need to plumb into it some how and then I could use 2 way cylinders instead of one ways. Yep got a bunch of cylinders in my junk box also. My junk box is a shipping box used by the militry and I can pick them up for $10 each and there about 4 foot wide 8 foot deep and 8 foot tall so you can put a lot of stuff in one

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Nat

12-29-2006 16:53:39

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-28-2006 22:24:24

Old, if you can find the diveter valve from a B that has the quick mount cultivators, you could use it. On the one I'm working on now it has a diverter valve on it. If you tilt the lift lever to the right it raises/lowers the rear lift, and if tilted to the left it raises/lowers the front lift. All you would need to do is plumb your front lift to the left side of the diverter. BTW, how much weight can you handle with the front lift on your C and still steer it OK?

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old

12-29-2006 17:09:02

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to Nat, 12-29-2006 16:53:39

Well right now I have a 7.5 foot snow plow hanging on it, plows like a myers made for a truck and it still steers ok as long as your moveing. If stopped its very hard to turn the wheels. Thats another reason I want to fix up the 3 point. That way it will lift up on the front some and also give me weigh on the back for traction which is a big problem with that snow plow up front. Back on the 1ST of dec I couldn't even get out of the shop with it because all the rear tires would do was spin

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TxAllisMan

12-30-2006 21:33:24

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to old, 12-29-2006 17:09:02

Link

Hope>Link the pic shows.

Old I have a 41 C that im in the process also of making a three point lift also and I also have the idea of adding powering steering.

The hydraulic pump in the pic is the same exact pump that is used on my Fathers International 404 and as you can see its mounted between the dist and and front cover and its live power.

I figure it will work because my C has had a mag off an International on it and I figure that the pump drive would be the same going into the timing gears which turn the pump/mag assembly.

I want to find one and use it on my C so I will have live hydraulics.

My pto pump works fine but as everyone knows if the pto"s not turning you have no hydraulics.

Im still trying to figure out a rockshaft to use.

Im also going to use the lift arms off an N series tractor due to having access to them.

I have a parts pile of allis stuff but no rockshafts on any of them and was wondering what rock would be the best.

I was thinking about making my own as I have access to welders and brigport mills etc plus I have ten years exp in the machine shop trade doing automotive and industrial machine setup and operation.

Hope the pic helps out some.

My email is open if you need to know more about the pump or just ask here.

Damon
N.E. Texas
#552 C

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old

12-30-2006 21:58:29

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Re: Need some ideas on how to plump in reply to TxAllisMan, 12-30-2006 21:33:24

Well so far I'm useing the cultivator lift to make my 3 point. Which works ok if I don't want yo lift much. I'll get it all worked out by june when its warm out maybe before if we get a few warm days here

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