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Broken Steering Shaft cont., Serial # Prefix's

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Jim/41_9N

11-21-2006 04:49:48




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As I try to locate a part for a broken steering shaft (see post below), I'm trying to make sure I have ID'd the tractor correctly. The owner of the machine was told when he bought it that it was a 1961 D15. As I cleaned up and located the serial number it appears to be a D14. The serial number has a prefix of D14. That would ID the tractor as a D14, correct? The entire serial number is D14 - 3590, which would make it a 1957 D14, I believe. I am currently trying to locate a used shaft or complete front support to fix the problem of a broken steering shaft.

So far with the help of a local AGCO dealer I have learned the following:
For the D14 tractor -
The parts diagram and list show 2 different front support part numbers, 70228517 for prior to serial number D14-10604, and D14-10769 through D14-10782. Then they show a part number 70229741for D14-10604 through D14-10768 and on D14-10783 and up.
According to the AGCO dealer the D14 Parts diagram and parts list have an invalid part number for the steering shaft (70227845).

For the D15 tractor �
The diagram and list show 2 different front support part numbers, 70233541 for prior to serial number 6584. Then they show a part number 70235118 for serial number 6584 and up.
The D15 Parts diagram and parts list have a part number of 70233426 for the steering shaft.

In looking at the parts diagrams for both the D14 and the D15, the front supports (and the steering shafts) both look the same. Some of the part numbers for other items in the front support are the same while others are different. For example, the steering gears and the idler gears are the same part numbers, while the lower bearing for the steering shaft have the same part numbers, the upper bearings for the steering shaft show different part numbers.

The Steering shaft that has a good part number (for the D15) has a list price of $466.65. That is why I�m considering locating a complete used assembly or steering shaft. I just want to be sure I am identifying the model of the tractor correctly and the steering support assembly correctly before spending what seems to be a lot of money, either way. Any feedback on this would be appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,

Jim

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Jim/41_9N

11-21-2006 14:16:15




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 Thanks Guys in reply to Jim/41_9N, 11-21-2006 04:49:48  
Thanks Guys



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gatz

11-21-2006 20:25:29




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 Re: Thanks Guys in reply to Jim/41_9N, 11-21-2006 14:16:15  
Jim,
On another site, there's a guy parting out a 58 D14.
Email me for the link as it won't post here.
Gatz



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Jerry Coulter

11-21-2006 08:39:06




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 Re: Broken Steering Shaft cont., Serial # Prefix's in reply to Jim/41_9N, 11-21-2006 04:49:48  
From what you see on the tractor, it is best to believe you are working on a D14. I personally would prefer to have a D14 because with the smaller engine, they have less tranny trouble. I'll share the info I find in a 1969 AC master numerical index which may help you as you shop for alternatives. 228517 and 229741 were D14 supports, apparently one did not supercede the other. 227845 is a D14 shaft. 233541 is a support for 2 row cotton picker, D15, D15Diesel, D17 and D17diesel. 2235118 fits D15, D17, D19. 233426 fits D15 and D15diesel.

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Gatz

11-21-2006 06:29:56




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 Re: Broken Steering Shaft cont., Serial # Prefix's in reply to Jim/41_9N, 11-21-2006 04:49:48  
Jim
Yes, the s/n indicates that tractor is a 1957

Some thoughts.....

1st, try to get just the shaft from one that's compatible as far as run of part numbers go, as you've found out from the AGCO dealer. Might save some headaches.

2nd; would be a shaft from a D14 or D15 of any year and hopefully it would work, but if not the same size on the upper end where the bearing goes, you could have a flanged adapter made, or even a different cone put on the shaft but use same cup that's in the existing casting.
It could also be that the replacement shaft's bearing on the upper end would fit the cup in your casting. Or the cone fit a new cup.
These bearings are "standard sizes" and can be bought at a bearing house. A Timken bearing book shows how cups and cones can be in different sets.

3rd, As you've suggested, buy a complete used steering unit. You may find one that is manual steering for a lot less than PS one and be able to use parts out of it.
I think that a narrow front end bolster set-up is the same as a WFE, as regards the shaft.
As long as the existing steering arm is OK, this could work, too.

4th, as scary as it sounds, new shaft at $466.

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