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BOBLYN

11-19-2006 03:21:12




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Has anyone put G262 gas or 301 engine in a pre-1960 D17 ( antique class cut off ). If so, how do they do in every day use and some tractor pulling




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Obsession

11-19-2006 17:53:28




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 Re: D17 in reply to BOBLYN, 11-19-2006 03:21:12  
The easiest way to do what you want is to take a 262 buda gas engine and put it in a D17 diesel. This will make 71 HP and bolt right in a diesel 17. Some old combines used these and they are fairly common. It is not too hard to find an older black grilled D17 that needs work for not a lot of $.

If you want to build a a gas four banger d17 engine. You can run a 175 gas cam, carb, pistons, and governor spring and make over 60HP that way. This would look stock and be legal at most pulls.

Either one of these combinations will run in the field all day and pull well.

One word of caution. The D17 has a heavy front end and is very hard to get the weight to transfer to the rear wheels. We pulled one with 15.5 38 tires in 6500 and still could get the front end to float.

A WC, WD, or 45 is much easier to get the weight to the back wheels.

I don't know if the newer sixes will bolt in a D17 or not.

I know a 180 or 185 has the bigger engine with basically a d17 series 4 rear end. The middle of the tractor is a mix from a 190 and a newer D17.

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zebrafarm

04-16-2007 08:05:30




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 Re: D17 in reply to Obsession, 11-19-2006 17:53:28  
I have a 1959 D17 Diesel with a shot engine. THe head is good but there are holes in nearly all the of pistons. The rebuilt kit and labor make it too expensive for me to rebuild. I have located a buda 262 propane engine which has come out of a combine. The person rebuilding it can change it over to gasoline and replace the diesel engine. What are the major problems that we might encounter in fitting this up? Any response would be appreciated.

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BOBLYN

11-21-2006 14:57:09




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 Re: D17 in reply to Obsession, 11-19-2006 17:53:28  
What about the G262 from a D19 or increasing the cubic inches in the 226 engine



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obsession

11-21-2006 17:01:29




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 Re: D17 in reply to BOBLYN, 11-21-2006 14:57:09  
The D19 engine will bolt in the place of a d17 diesel, not a d17 gas.

We have a WD that is 310 cubic inches. It is 12.5 to one compression, bigger valves, and custom built cam. This type of engine can not be used for ordinary daily work, because of the thin custom made cylinders and high compression.

You could off set grind the crank from a 4 banger gas and use smaller journal rods from a D19 gas or C farmall. You can get 4 1/8 over bore sleeves. You would have to get custom Wisco pistons made that would have the correct pin position, dish type, bore size and compression ratio. I would not go more than 8 1/2 to one compression if you plan on using the tractor for every day use. You could get around 260 to 280 cubes and about 70 to 80 horse this way. I would recommend having a machine/speed shop over see the project. The engine would have to be professionally balanced, because the use of customs rods and pistons.

I seen a WC pull that had 426 cubic inches! It flew down the track very fast and made lots of noise

You may have to make a choice between a puller and a useable tractor if you plan to get competitive. You may be better off getting a lighter WC for $300 and pulling that. All of the D17 four banger engine stuff will fit right in that and it only weighs about 3000 lbs.

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BOBLYN

11-23-2006 05:51:04




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 Re: D17 in reply to obsession, 11-21-2006 17:01:29  
obsession,

Tractor would be used to pull in the antique farm classes with pace tractor for all classes- would need to be pre-1960 . Would also like to pull in farm open classes- which have pace and non pace classes. Would need one already set up to some degree. Not sure of how much investment we are talking though.

Thanks,

Bob



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