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GM motors in WD's?

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family traditio

11-17-2006 06:25:06




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I would like to build a puller with a 260 straight 6 GM motor. I was told this is a direct bolt in, but are there any mods that have to be done to the flywheel or starter? Any insight on this would be appreciated. Please no bashing from the original restorers. This is what I enjoy doing, you do your thing, I"ll do mine.




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LWD

11-18-2006 18:09:14




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
the ones I`ve seen the boys put the motor and the trans. in together(using the truck 4 speed)



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Kent of SW MO

11-18-2006 08:04:44




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
Not wanting to get into one upmanship, but Dad and I put a 1957 Chrysler 392 Hemi, bored and stroked to 460 CID, into an 88 Oliver This was of course NOT for field use but for tractor pulling. If you have access to the tools, welder, cutting torch, milling machine, and a lathe, and the knowledge to use them you can do ANYTHING. You must remember that all the the machines we have were built with the above tools. OH! I almost forgot a foundry and a blast furnace would also be handy.

Kent

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NE IA Dave

11-17-2006 17:30:31




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
I know of a 289 or a 350 that used to be in a 45 AC- then later the tractor was returned to its original form. I have been trying to get the parts from the guy for ten plus years. He said I was to good of a friend to sell them to me. My understanding and I must say it has been a long time, but the plate must be home made to adapt, the biggest problem is the govenor must be a seperate unit run off of a belt. He claims the power train or his brain was way to small. My thinking is if a guy would not use it over it's original potential it would have worked. --YEA THAT SOUNDS LIKE A WORKABLE THING FOR A RED NECK GUY!!!

When he had it in his 45 he would take a 3= 14s snap coupler plow and prove that in 4th gear it would take her going down hill anyway. No, of course you could not plow that fast, just had to prove a point. In Iowa we call it showing off. I used it to move a trailer in the winter one time, the hired man begged me to put the tractor back in the shed. He asked if he could crack the throttle open after he got it in motion, I said sure the owner couldn't drive across the highway without trying for a black mark, so go ahead. He started out, then cracked the throttle open and one hind wheel spun out on some ice, so he smacked the brake on the wheel to make the other one pull, we had metal flying out of the left side near the brake drum. I won't rip on you about destroying a good antique tractor, but will mildly complain that you sure got me to thinking again about buying the parts and make a real boy toy. NE IA Dave

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steve(ill)

11-17-2006 16:03:43




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
so lesst redefine the original question. will a small bock chevy or 250 late model straight six bolt directly in place of a 201 or 226 Allis motor. I thought these modifications required a specilal hommade bell housing????? ???



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ohio

11-20-2006 13:08:16




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to steve(ill), 11-17-2006 16:03:43  
no, but an allis six out of a d-19 or a combine will, with wd 45 diesel parts.



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85_Ranger4x4

11-17-2006 14:17:37




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
So will a 250 or SBC bolt into a wd then? We have 2 parts tractors with trashed motors that would make for a fun motor swap project. I would prefer the V-8 though due to length.



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family tradition

11-17-2006 12:09:04




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
250 is what I meant, hit the wrong key, just hunt and peck typer here. Seen one run in Ky some this past summer, I think the man was from around Paris, Tn



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George G

11-17-2006 08:43:48




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
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I guess, if you want to do it. It will get done. Course, I don't know of any pulls where they pull these things. Maybe, just for show.



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George G

11-17-2006 08:47:43




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to George G, 11-17-2006 08:43:48  
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Heres a WD-45.



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old

11-17-2006 08:34:44




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
I've never seen a 260 stight 6 chev engine do you by chance mean a 250 which by the way is a good engine. I have 4 or 5 of them laying around in my shop also



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Kent of SW MO

11-17-2006 06:45:17




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to family tradition, 11-17-2006 06:25:06  
The only GM sixs Allis used were in Gleaner combinds. I think but do not know that Allis built the extention housing to fit a standard GM block face. The sixs that I think are a bolt in are the G-230 and G-262 power unit from the A series and C series combinds.

Kent



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Anthony

11-17-2006 09:11:22




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to Kent of SW MO, 11-17-2006 06:45:17  
There is some kind of confusion here. As far as I know there never was a GM/Chev 260 straight six. There was a 270 engine used in GMC trucks and I believe a 261 used in Chevy trucks, also a 235. These were older style engines with 4 main bearings. These were superceded sometime around 1962 with 7 main bearing engines, the 230, 250 and 292; also a 215 used in Pontiac cars.
These early and late engines are quite different, especially in the bell housing and motor mount areas.

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Kent of SW MO

11-17-2006 12:49:39




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to Anthony, 11-17-2006 09:11:22  
The 215 was a aluminum block V-8. In a farm equipment I saw a small block chev V-8 with a Allis-Chalmers/Gleaner extention housing on it. The model K and F Gleaners gas fueled combinds used the late model GM 6 cylinder engines. 250 or 292 CID. The Model G Gleaners may have used the GM V-8 in a gas version but the only G's I have seen were diesel with the G-2900 power unit which is the same engine as the 190XT used.

Kent

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Anthony

11-17-2006 14:11:12




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 Re: GM motors in WD's? in reply to Kent of SW MO, 11-17-2006 12:49:39  
Yes there was a 215 aluminum V-8. There was also a 215 straight six used in Tempests and LeMans in 64 and 65. It can be confusing.

The reason you could see the small block V-8 used that way in farm equipment is that the late model GM six cyl engines had the same bell housing pattern as the V-8's. Transmissions and even starters and probably the extension housings were interchangeable.

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