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WD Won't Turn over

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TURKEYRUN

10-22-2006 08:07:21




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Just picked up this WD. Has been running fine. Had exhaust leak, replaced exhaust mainifold gaskets. Now she wont turn over. I have power, at least to the head and tail lights. I replaced the (what looks like the voltage regulater, and for lack of knowing) no help. Then I replaced the ignition swith with a new one. Still nothing at all. Should I just go have the started rebuilt? And yes, I have ordered manuals so I'll half way know what I'm talking about next time. I get a lot of enjoyment out of listening to you all talk about the old tractors. Thanks in advance for any help.

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wdTom

10-23-2006 17:58:57




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to TURKEYRUN, 10-22-2006 08:07:21  
You can have a key swithc and it only controls the ignition. The starter switch is still the same, pull or push rod to switch on starter. As for the problem, how about grounding. If the starter mounting and all other connections between various castings are a little rusty you won't geta good ground and this can happen. Take the starter out and clean castings and put it back in. Check ground wire from battery to ground connections. Try running a ground from clean metal on the bellhousing to the battery ground wire where it bolts to the tractor, to check if it is a poor connection between the transmission and bellhousing.

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Will Herring

10-23-2006 15:09:28




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to TURKEYRUN, 10-22-2006 08:07:21  
I replaced the exhaust manifold gaskets on mine and it took a bit of going to get started for a time or two after that, but it starts awesomely now. No leaking, either, which is great. I think I'm going to replace the gaskets on grandpa's too.



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TURKEYRUN

10-23-2006 15:24:36




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to Will Herring, 10-23-2006 15:09:28  
I still don't think mine is sealed all the way. I have the same problem with the exhaust pipe not fitting very well. It's the clamp on type that doesn't want to seal.



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old

10-22-2006 09:06:33




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to TURKEYRUN, 10-22-2006 08:07:21  
Things to check are all battery cable connection. Even with the lights working the connection could be bad enough that the starter will not spin. Also the starter push button are known to go bad and when they do of course the starter will not spin. I have a WC Speed patrol with that problem right now. I can pull the starter rod once it it works and the next time no go. I woulc check all connections and then move to the starter switch. Some times they can be cleaned up and work good for years.

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TURKEYRUN

10-22-2006 09:25:28




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to old, 10-22-2006 09:06:33  
Thanks, I'll check all that next. I don't have a push button. Someone put a regular ignition switch on it. That was one of the things that I replaced and had no results.



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old

10-22-2006 15:07:48




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to TURKEYRUN, 10-22-2006 09:25:28  
Solinoid my be bad then. You cna jumper to the 2 big posts on it to see if thats the problem. Use a big wire if you do jumper around it or even a set of jumper cables will work



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Tramway Guy

10-23-2006 12:26:35




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to old, 10-22-2006 15:07:48  
WC did not have a solenoid. It was a manual switch on the starter, controlled by the starter pedal.
Turkeyrun, if you leave the lights on when you try the starter, do the lights stay on or do they dim out???
If the remain bright, then there is a problem with the starter switch or the starter itself...



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TURKEYRUN

10-23-2006 15:20:46




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to Tramway Guy, 10-23-2006 12:26:35  
I'll give it a try and see what happens.



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old

10-23-2006 12:53:03




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to Tramway Guy, 10-23-2006 12:26:35  
Tramway, if you read all of his post he says it DOEN'T have that type of switch and has a key type ignition system on it now so it has to have a soliniod for a key type ignition to work. And yes its should have the push button but in his case he doesn't have one



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Tramway Guy

10-23-2006 19:07:04




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to old, 10-23-2006 12:53:03  
I read that, but I wondered if maybe he was saying that it would not 'start'. I have heard some people say that it will not turn over, but in fact it is turning over [cranking] fine; but it just won't fire.
If you listen to Click and Clack once in a while, you will hear what I mean.
We all need more info, I think..... .



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TURKEYRUN

10-24-2006 16:33:59




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 Re: WD Won't Turn over in reply to Tramway Guy, 10-23-2006 19:07:04  
Nope, it would not turn over at all. Nothing. When I put the new solinoid on, I didn't have something right. Took it back off, cheched it next to the old one. Put it back on and she fired right up. And with good advice, I did check all the connections I could find. There were plenty of loose bolts on this tractor. Can't get her to idle down quite they way it was, but it's running again. Carb is leaking somewhat. Maybe time for some new gaskets, I dont know.Can't wait until my new manuals come in. Thanks for all the help.

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