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Rod (NH)

09-19-2006 09:52:39




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Here's a sample of actual complete sprayouts for PPG's OMNI MTK60080 (economy line) and Deltron DCC60080 (premium line, "Concept") single stage acrylic urethane colors:

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The tractor is with MTK and the blower housing is with DCC. Even though they are the same code number, they use different mixing tints since they are not in the same line. I noticed that the actual formula for the DCC seems to have been developed from a computer match of something, whereas the MTK formula does not. This goes to show that you cannot always go by just code number when dealing with old tractor colors, even within the same manufacturer's offerings. You really have to do sample srayouts or at least color swatches of the possibilities. Or trust someone else's judgment. I personally think that the MTK gives a better representation of the original shade of that early persian orange. The DCC is a brighter, less brownish color that some might prefer for that reason alone. I am not an originality purist by any means. I simply prefer the more "pumpkin" shade of the MTK. It just so happens that I also think it's closer to the original.

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09-19-2006 10:01:09




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 Re: Early Persian Orange in reply to Rod (NH), 09-19-2006 09:52:39  
Thats a neat lift set up you have on the front of that tractor. The tractors a B isn't it?? And where did you get the lift or did you make it?? If you made it do you have more pictures of it and how you did it??
Thanks. Looks like something I would like to have/or build



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Rod (NH)

09-19-2006 13:32:54




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 Re: Early Persian Orange in reply to old, 09-19-2006 10:01:09  
Hi Old,

Yes, that's a B. I didn't make the lift frame. It was originally supplied by the dealer in 1942 for a V-snowplow setup specifically for a B. It is quite easy to make one however. I drew up detailed fabrication drawings in pdf format (which you can print out on letter-sized paper) for those who would like to make one like it. You can see more concerning the lift arrangement, together with a link to the drawings on one of the pages of my web site here. If you want anything more specific on it, ask away. It's real handy to have around. I used it once to remove a rear tire assy (heavy) from my Oliver that was filled with CaCl. Squashed the front tires on the B some, but allowed me to get the job done w/o the trouble of draining and refilling the tire. It worked well also for removing the heavy cast hub from the same wheel.

Rod

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09-19-2006 13:38:41




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 Re: Early Persian Orange in reply to Rod (NH), 09-19-2006 13:32:54  
I just book marked your site so I can go back in and look at it better. I have a C but I would think it would also work on it, and I also have a myers type snow plow laying in my junk pile and that set up might work for that plow. Thanks. I also understand tires and fluid but I use one of my loaders when I have to mess with them

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Rod (NH)

09-19-2006 14:22:11




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 Re: Early Persian Orange in reply to old, 09-19-2006 13:38:41  
I see no reason why it wouldn't fit a C just as well. The V-plow had a push frame made up of 2.5" angle iron running to the rear drawbar and supported amidships from the torque tube holes, like the belly sickle is supported. That same arrangement should work just fine for a front-mounted Meyer's plow. You certainly don't have to use a hand pump. You could run a hose from your existing PTO pump and use your regular hydraulic system. I don't think the standard B hydraulic cylinder would work with the dimensions shown but some changes probably could be made to make one work. The dimensional details of the cylinder used on my lift is given in another link shown on the front page of the pdf drawing file.

Agreed on the loader, except when you only have one loader and that's the tractor your removing the rear wheel from :o).

Rod

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09-19-2006 14:30:59




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 Re: Early Persian Orange in reply to Rod (NH), 09-19-2006 14:22:11  
BTDT as far as the laoder. One time back when I only had one laoder tractor I pulled its rear wheel/tire of and still used the loader to lift the tire into the back of a pickup so I could take it in to get fixed, not the best way to do things but it did work. I also noticed you have a belly sickle mower on your B, looks like the one I have on my C. As far as the cylinder if I build one of those lifts I'll probably use a lot bigger cylinder then what was on the C, I have 10 or so of them laying around in my shop any how. I even have a really monster of a cylinder in my shop. Its probably about 8-10 in diameter but I think that would be way to much for the C LOL

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