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B. Jones

08-31-2006 16:43:21




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We have made a crude 3 pt. to mount a 5 foot brush hog. The hydraulic raises it to the top fine. If I try to lower it down some I cannot keep it there. It creeps up or creeps down. Should the WD have position control where it will hold it at a certain height? Thanks for your help. I might add that this is an old WD allis. B. Jones




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B. Jones

09-01-2006 19:35:52




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 16:43:21  
I am away from the tractor at this time but I want to thank each and every one for all the time you put in to help me. I feel that your information will be a big help to me. I know that it does have a hold feature and I think I understand your instructions. I am anxious to put the information to use. Again, thank you very much. B. Jones

P.S. My friends G- allis sold today for $3500. This forum helped me to get it running like a new tractor.

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Dave Grubb

09-01-2006 08:37:16




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 16:43:21  
Here is a good site to see for the pump and hold valve and electrical items.



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stu(ON)

09-01-2006 10:07:06




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to Dave Grubb, 09-01-2006 08:37:16  
Dave, very good points. I had forgotten that Duey had that diagram on his web site.

Thank you,
stu(ON)



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Dave Grubb

09-01-2006 08:31:26




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 16:43:21  
One item I did not see stated was that the hold valve cannot leak internally for the 'Hold Position' to work correctly. Set the linkages to the 'Hold Position' feature, raise the mower fully up and leave the hand lever control in the full up position, shut the tractor off and see if the mower creeps down. If it lowers the hold valve is leaking by internally and must be fixed before the system will ever work correctly. The hold valve is just a hydraulic check valve with a manual plunger to unseat the check ball and dump trapped fluid pressure. You can get new check balls from the AC dealers and this may fix the problem. Sometimes the check ball seat needs to be trued by pressing a new ball against it. The I&T shop manual explains this about the best.

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B. Jones

08-31-2006 18:04:43




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 16:43:21  
Butch, thank you very much for your reply. I am away from the tractor at this time, but I do have a repair manual and most of what you said makes sense to me. Is the draft control the lever mounted under the tractor on the right side that is hooked to the belly hitch. I take it that must be locked in position as well as the part on top. I remember locking the top part together but am unsure with the bottom draft lever. I will continue to investigate and thank you very much. B. jones

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stu (ON)

08-31-2006 22:50:07




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 18:04:43  
B. Jones, we just worked through the same problem with Dad's WD. You need to use the "HOLD" feature of the hydraulic system. If you don't have access to the Operators Manual, this verbal description will add to Butch's a little.

When correctly set, you will feel the control lever reach an "detent point" mid-way up the quadrant. The detent is actually down on the "Hold Position Valve". This detent is the position that should hold your rams where you want them. To raise them, move the lever up until you get the right lift, and then return to the detent. To lower the rams, move the lever down until the desired position is reached, and then return to the detent position. In the detent position, the pump is not actually applying pressure to the cylinders. The pressure is just trapped there; so it is important that the hydraulic cyplinders do not leak. If they do, AGCO still carries seal kits,, and they are relatively easy to install.

To set the hydraulic pump and Hold Position Valve up, follow the hydraulic hoses from the rams to their fittings. The fittings screw into the Hold Position Valve. It has two adjustment screws on it: B and C. "B" is at the rear of the Hold Position Valve, and has a large thumbwheel next to a nosecone. Screw this thumbwheel (may have to clean, lubricate & use pliers) towards the outside of the tractor so that the camshaft plate locks into the control lever plate. There is a nosecone on this end of that thumbwheel that fits into a locating hole in the control lever plate.

Go to the front end of the Hold Position Valve, where screw "C" is located and back this screw out most of the way to the stop. The exact position is not critical. This screw is of benefit if the left ram is run forward, rather than back to the lift lever.

The Hold Position Valve sits on top of the Hydraulic Pump. Follow it down and to the rear where the control housing is located. You will find another rotating plate there, with a control lever running from it. The rotating plate is also connected to the link rod that runs back to the drawbar for traction control. You want to deactivate this feature. Find the large thumbscrew "A" in the rotating plate, and screw it into the hole in the control housing.

The final adjustment is on screw "D" at the front of the hydraulic pump body. When screwed out, the hydraulic rams will react very quickly to movement of the lever up on the control quadrant. Screw D can be screwed in some, and this will reduce the speed of response without affecting the final pressure, or lift capacity.

These adjustments are easier to visualize with a picture; I hope that you can figure them out from this description.

E-mail me if this requires more clarification.

Good luck,
stu (ON)

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Butch(OH)

08-31-2006 18:40:48




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 18:04:43  
Yup, the draft lever is on the right side of the coupler bell if so equipped or beside the front end of the drawbar if a pin hitch setup. It comes up at an angle to the pump body. The hold valve will work with the draft link not immobilized but heavy draft will cause the hitch to raise.



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Butch(OH)

08-31-2006 17:16:04




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 16:43:21  
Yes it can be set to hold, the proceedure is a little complicated to explain here but luckily is in the operators manual and on the battery box decal. The linkage from the lever to the hold and delivery valves must be adjusted right and a lot of them are not. IF that linkage is adjusted per the book and the hold valve is not clogged with crap (also common)the system will hold when set to hold and this is how you do it. Follow the draft link on the right side of the coupler. It attaches to a lever on the pump body. On that lever is a screw that will lock the draft lever to the pump case so it cant move. Wipe the grease away so you can see the indentation in the pump body for the screw and move the lever if need be. Then on top of the pump is the hold valve, this is the part that your cylider hoses are plumbed into. You will notice two disks, one that roates with the lift/lower lever and one that doesnt. The one that doesnt move has a screw that has it locked to the hold valve. Screw it out and it goes into the movable disk when you have it lined up correctly. Now when you move the lever the hold valve moves with it. Afterwords if you still do not have holding you need to know how to set the linkage and might have to remove the hold valve for cleanin and reseating the check ball. Good luck.

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Tuggle

08-31-2006 17:14:32




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 Re: WD Hydraulic in reply to B. Jones, 08-31-2006 16:43:21  
Yea, mine does the same thing. When I raise it a little bit, it creeps all the way up.
I'm curious to see the replies.



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