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Stan(VA).

08-27-2006 19:57:38




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Hey Guys,
I'm normally on the Farmall board, but branching out into a bunch of new (at least to me ;) stuff this year in my evenings. I overhauled an Allis 160 diesel, working on a Fergy TO20, Ford 2000 3cyl, and now working on a little Allis G.

This tractor has been sitting for ~6-7 yrs. Engine was lightly stuck :) and carb badly stuck :( that I was able to get past this weekend. I got the engine running, and after priming the system it even has oil pressure again!

My question is related to it's hydraulics. I can't seem to get them to work and wondered if anyone could shed some light on it. 1- how the levers work? and 2- any common weak points for a non-working system? I see a lever by the throttle that goes to a valve with lines to the front and back cylinders but don't know which direction is up (fwd/bkwd?). Both cylinders only have one line so I assume gravity down. There is also a lever sticking out of what I believe is the pump; am I correct assuming that back toward the engine engages the pump? (not positive as it never seems to load the engine, but think I feel it engaging gears as it goes back.) (also it's just a short lever with a hole in it, not sure if I'm missing a handle to get it closer to the operator or not?)

I checked fluid level in the rear and it was low, so brought it back up but still no cylinder operation. Does this pump need bleeding after sitting for a long time? Any other ideas?
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Stan(VA).

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Stan(VA).

08-29-2006 22:00:44




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 Re: G hydraulics? in reply to Stan(VA)., 08-27-2006 19:57:38  
Dan, yes I see that PTO setup in the manual. Thanks for trying.

ChalmersBob, That's exactly what I needed, thanks and will try it asap. I see now where you helped Don with the same question back in January, but I missed that somehow.

Don, I have the manuals (operators/Maintenance/Parts and Service). IMHO they lack detail and clarity in the hydraulics. If you are recommending them for my questions above you must have a later version than I do ;)

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CHALMERSBOB

08-28-2006 20:01:54




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 Re: G hydraulics? in reply to Stan(VA)., 08-27-2006 19:57:38  
THE REAR LEVER ENGAGES THE PUMP. THE FRONT RAISES AND LOWERS THE IMPLEMENT, POWER UP GRAVITY DOWN. THE PUMP MIGHT NEED PRIMING. REMOVE THE CYLINDER AND HOSE AND PUT THE END OF THE HOSE INTO HYDRA FLUID AND PULL THE RAM OUT. THEN RECONNECT TO THE PUMP AND PUSH THE RAM IN, WITH A LOT OF PRESSURE. THIS SHOULD PRIME THE PUMP. BOB



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Dan Spencer

08-28-2006 12:00:49




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 Re: G hydraulics? in reply to Stan(VA)., 08-27-2006 19:57:38  
The lever back by the engine on the left is the in/out for the PTO. The pump is belt driven..I think.



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Don L C

08-29-2006 14:32:18




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 Re: G hydraulics? in reply to Dan Spencer, 08-28-2006 12:00:49  
Don.....the pump is gear driven....

you all nead a service manual, big time.....



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Stan(VA).

08-28-2006 14:17:58




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 Re: G hydraulics? in reply to Dan Spencer, 08-28-2006 12:00:49  
Thanks for the response Dan,
I'm away from the tractor and manuals at the moment, (and certainly no expert on this model) but I thought I saw an early and late design for the belt pulley, where the late design had a gear box that could support the optional hyd pump, and then the belt pulley was another option that bolted to it. This tractor does have a box in that location with the lever, and the hyd valve bolted on the right side of it. There is no belt pulley on this tractor. Other than the fan and the charging system, I don't see any other belt driven acc. If this system used the belt driven pump you describe, can you help me to locate it?
Thanks,
Stan.

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Dan Spencer

08-29-2006 13:55:31




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 Re: G hydraulics? in reply to Stan(VA)., 08-28-2006 14:17:58  
Hi,
I own a 1949 with-out hydraulics and no in/out on the belt pulley. I was told that the later hydro models had an in/out but still with a pulley. I have no parts sources...sorry.
Someone here on the board will solve your problem I'm sure. Great little tractors.
Dan



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