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Hand Cranking the AC B

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ShepFL

07-17-2006 09:12:16




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Thanks to all but especially Old for the Mag info and Sid for the insight to hand cranking.

Got the B to fire off 3 times by hand cranking this way "Engage crank at the 12 o'clock position. Stand on left front side of tractor, looking across tractor. Grasp crank with left hand, DO NOT wrap thumb around crank. Place right hand against tractor hood. Push off with right hand while pulling with the left.

In this way if the tractor kicks backs it jerks the crank out of your hand away from you while you will be moving away from spinning crank.

REMEMBER - If you place crank in nine o'clock position & pull up when it kicks back it has a tendancy to pull you into the spinning crank.

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Rod (NH)

07-17-2006 11:18:33




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 Re: Hand Cranking the AC B in reply to ShepFL, 07-17-2006 09:12:16  
Hi Shep,

Hmmm. On my '42B it's not possible to engage the crank at 12 o'clock unless you are already far up on the compression stroke. The crank handle is at about 9, possibly a touch before when the noticeable compression stroke begins. I pull up and over until the mag snaps at TDC which occurs when the handle is somewhere between 1 and 2, approximately. It's been that way since it was new. I am curious to know if my crank is different than others as far as the orientation of the drive pin with the handle. For the orientation of my drive pin, see this drawing. If you didn't start the compression stroke until about 12 o'clock, you wouldn't get to TDC until below 3, which is just what you don't want, I would think. The crankshaft has to rotate 180 degrees between BDC and TDC - and so does the hand crank. Perhaps there is something wrong with my thinking here or maybe my crank is different, especially since it was lengthened by the dealer to accommodate a front snowplow lift when new. I am interested in anyone's thoughts on this.

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wilman

07-17-2006 18:52:35




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 Re: Hand Cranking the AC B in reply to Rod (NH), 07-17-2006 11:18:33  
When I crank my 37 WC I engage the crank on the pulley at the 6 o clock position and pull up on it with my left hand with thumb tucked and the compression stroke and impulse click is usually toward the top but I have noticed that it can vary and sometimes I have to engage the crank at the 9 position or the 3 position. Also have cranked started an A and starting at the bottom and pulling up is the best way to start one of those beasts also.

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old

07-17-2006 12:12:45




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 Re: Hand Cranking the AC B in reply to Rod (NH), 07-17-2006 11:18:33  
So far on a lot of these tractor I have seen the crank handle sit a number of places when at of just before TDC. I think it has to do with a few things, like if some one added a washer under the crank bolt, or the crank hnadle is twisted some. I have seen it that way on more then one and I guess I should stick my crank on my C and see where it would sit as it came up on compression. I don't have a mag but that should make any differance as far as where it would sit. Just a couple more ideas of why/where the crank might sit

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old

07-17-2006 09:43:53




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 Re: Hand Cranking the AC B in reply to ShepFL, 07-17-2006 09:12:16  
Always happy to help if and when I can. Heres one for you. Back when I was around 18 or so I would kick start the B my dad had at the time but I did get knocked on my butt a few times doing so but sure beat brakeing my arm LOL



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