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D-17 Low Oil Pressure

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Jim Hogan

08-26-1999 19:47:48




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Installed new sleeves, pistons, rings, rod and main bearings, and had the head worked over at the machine shop. Now oil pressure goes past middle to high side of gauge, then slowly comes down as temperature rises. It will get low enough that engine must be shut off. Could be cam bearings or oil pump--same as before, so they should be ruled out?? I have not inspected oil pressure relief for a piece of trash? This is old model,can reach valve from side of engine. Anyone had this problem? I could use a helpfull hint. THANKS

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Brian

08-28-1999 12:06:19




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 Re: D-17 Low Oil Pressure in reply to Jim Hogan, 08-26-1999 19:47:48  
Just a little food for thought. My CA did the same thing with oil pressure. High when cold, low to none at idle when warm. Turns out, the gauge was bad. Hope this helps. Brian



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bentorbroke

08-27-1999 09:40:06




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 Re: D-17 Low Oil Pressure in reply to Jim Hogan, 08-26-1999 19:47:48  
Also, you are right again; you may have a stuck oil pressure relief valve. The valve could be stuck slightly open and might cause the low oil pessure when hot. One other thought, did you check the clearances on the rod and main bearings (plasti-gage or paper shim method for example). Just because they are NEW does not guarantee that they are right, the proper size as marked, etc. I do not remember if the D17 uses shims between the bearing caps on the rods and mains the same as the WC, WD, and WD 45 do or not; if it does there is the possibility that the shim pack is not proper. The rod and main bearings can have excessive clearance and still allow the engine to run quite well - with low oil pressure - for a while! You may also want to check all internal engine oil fittings for loose connections (both ends of oil pump delivery tube and the oil delivery line to the rocker arms inside the valve cover. I had one of these oil lines on a WC that was broken and allowed oil to escape (the rocker arms did not get proper oiling either). Hope this is of some help, Good luck, bentorbroke

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BOB K

08-27-1999 13:38:16




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 Re: Re: D-17 Low Oil Pressure in reply to bentorbroke, 08-27-1999 09:40:06  
HERE IS A SIMPLE THING YOU MIGHT TRY. THERE SHOULD BE A PLUG NEAR THE DIP STICK FOR THE ENGINE OIL. THIS IS THE PLUG FOR THE PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE. UNSCREW THIS PLUG AND ADD SHIM TO INCREASE SPRING TENSION ON THE RELIEF VALVE. I DID THIS ON MY WD-45 AND IT NOW HAS MORE OIL PRESSURE AT IDLE WHEN WARM THAN IT DID AT FULL THROTTLE BEFORE.



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bentorbroke

08-26-1999 22:18:19




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 Re: D-17 Low Oil Pressure in reply to Jim Hogan, 08-26-1999 19:47:48  
Yes, it could be the cam bearings! WC, WD and WD45 are well known for low oil pressure due to worn cam bearings. You may not only need new cam bearings, you may need undersize ones or a new camshaft or to get yours ground and use the appropriate undersize cam bearings. Centeral Tractor at one time listed .002 undersize cam bearings for these engines. Other sources should have them also. If the camshaft journals are worn - but not too much - this will help. I used a set on a WC that was about .001 under the book camshaft journal minimum dimensions. They worked great. Some of my friends thought the undersize cam bearings would be too tight. The undersize bearings were perfect for that engine. I set the rod and main bearing clearances to MINIMUM by the book. Used the original oil pump with the clearances adjusted to MINIMUM. This engine has the WC (original type - low capacity) oil pump, has been in use since 1978, and still holds good oil pressure when hot. Also make sure that you use a D17 oil pump. (I have heard of WC or WD oil pumps being installed in WD 45s and D17s because the older WC and WD oil pumps are plentiful and cheaper.) The higher capacity (proper) oil pump in the D17, if in good condition and adjusted to minimum clearances, should provide ample volume/pressure if everything else is right. You might also check the the camshaft (front) end play adjustment, if it is the same as a WD or WD 45. Does the camshaft have the same type and size of oil holes as the WC, WD, and WD 45? If so you might consider that the two holes for the oil to go in to the center of the camshaft are the same size as the two holes for the oil to go out of the camshaft at the rear of the camshaft AND ALSO as the two holes for the oil to go out of the camshaft at the front of the camshaft. Twice the area for oil to go out of the camshaft as for oil to go into the camshaft! Ever notice that it is usually the #1 rod bearing that goes first in these engines? Be careful, do not try to simply ADJUST the oil pressure too high; if you do, it will be very high when cold. I did hear of oil pump gear/cam gear damage that was attributed to this situation. Hope that this is of some help, Good luck, have fun, bentorbroke

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jim hogan

09-02-1999 21:01:56




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 Re: Re: D-17 Low Oil Pressure in reply to bentorbroke, 08-26-1999 22:18:19  
Thanks to everyone for helpful comments. I believe high pressure was caused by blockage in the tee in the side of block that supplies oil to tappets and governor. Not exactly shure on low, but relief valve is suspect. I took it out this evening. It is covered with gunk--may not move as easy as it should, may even been stuck. I removed tappet cover--plenty of oil flow. I dropped the pan--everything "looks" as if there is plenty of oil. I'll let you know how it comes out.

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