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Tim in Battle G

07-03-2006 23:06:38

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I'm trying to remove the arm from the spindle on my 67 AC I-600 tractor. I've got a new spindle (old one bent) and wanted to change bushings while I had it out. Anyhow, it won't budge & I'm about out of ideas. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Tim

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Don L C

07-04-2006 22:30:17

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

Use your cutting tourch....start on the outer side and cut a grove through the arm....come back and cut the grove again....keep diong this until you reach the spendal ....you may have to do this in two places.....careful not to heat the spendal enough to cut it ....take a big hammer and knock it off....been there done that....

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JMS/MN

07-04-2006 22:36:34

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Don L C, 07-04-2006 22:30:17

Check the post- he wants to save the arm and put in a new spindle. Frankly, I'd try to save both and straighten the spindle, depending on the bend. Did that on a WD45 and just replaced the worn bushings.

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JMS/MN

07-04-2006 21:24:02

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

Looks like you have at least two surfaces of the arm that extend beyond the knee section of the front axle. If I couldn't get a puller on the arm, I would put a jack under the two surfaces, heat the arm, use candle wax, and have a large drift ready to pound on, pushing the spindle down. Drift should be about 2/3 of the diameter of the spindle shaft, not large enough to mushroom the spindle shaft. If you have a lathe, turn down the end of the drift to leave a dimple to match the hole in the spindle shaft, to aid in centering. Without a press, it's bfh time.

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cdmn

07-04-2006 20:13:33

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

How was this put together? I've heard of using liquid nitrogen to shrink the shaft and then put the outside member on and let it warm up for a permanent joint. They couldn't have done that for this? Must have used a big press at the factory. Maybe they also peened it over?

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John (C-IL)

07-04-2006 19:08:04

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

I had the same problem with my D17. I had to cut the spindle off of the bottom of the shaft, pull the shaft out of the top, put the shaft and arm in a 20 ton press and then heat the arm till everything was red hot.

I know it isn't an easy or simple solution, but that is what I had to do.

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54 AC

07-04-2006 17:47:02

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

Wheel puller?

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hc mcgee

07-04-2006 17:42:20

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

like the previous post said lots of heat, prayer, and throw in some candle wax when all is hot, just melt an old candle by putting it against the shaft when hot. May take more than once but will usually get it to slip. good luck.

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TimBinWV

07-04-2006 16:42:36

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

May try sharpening some pieces of spring steel(cut the tapered end off some junk leaf springs)then try to get them driven between the pieces. That,and a lot of heat. And prayer!

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BCnT

07-03-2006 23:40:40

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-03-2006 23:06:38

lots of heat and prayer.

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Tim in Battle Ground, WA

07-04-2006 18:05:00

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to BCnT, 07-03-2006 23:40:40

So far I've used heat, prayer, a wheel puller, & a sledge hammer. One of the problems is there is a keyway between the spindle and the arm, so I can't drive the arm through. I thought I'd cheat a little and drive it down a little to get it started. I heated it almost red hot, then hit it as hard as I could with a sledge hammer.....several times, but so far it hasn't budged. Since I do have a new spindle, I'm thinking about cutting it off, but of course that's easier said than done. I've been using Aero Kroil and PB blaster, but haven't tried candle wax. I'll try that next. Thanks for the input. Tim

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BCnT

07-05-2006 07:02:40

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its gonna take more than almost red hot in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-04-2006 18:05:00

i can see paint still on arm...its gonna take a rosebud and everything surrounding spindle arm needs to be to the point of almost shooting sparks...thats what i mean by lots of heat...once you get it off then let it cool off by itself.

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54 AC

07-04-2006 18:28:34

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to Tim in Battle Ground, WA, 07-04-2006 18:05:00

Is it possible to drill that stuck key out?

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Tim in Battle Ground WA

07-10-2006 21:12:32

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Re: Anybody been here before? in reply to 54 AC, 07-04-2006 18:28:34

Well I tried most of your ideas, broke the wheel puller, & used up all my acetylene (along with my patience). I ended up taking apart my 14" metal cut-off saw, then used it like a hand held grinder. I cut the lower part of the spindle off, then pulled the shaft out through the top with the arm still on it. I took the shaft / arm assy down to a heavy equipment repair shop and they pressed the shaft out of the arm with a huge hydraulic press. I sure hope I never have to do that again. Thanks for the help. Tim

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