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Tery

03-15-2006 21:18:04




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hi was wondering if anyone out there had any experience with the old trip bucket loaders. was thinkin of putting one on my wd allis. do they run off the tractor hydraulics. are they heavy to make the tractor steer hard. no power steering on this one. my use for snow and other odd jobs. thanks




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BDT in Minnesota

03-16-2006 19:55:17




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 Re: wd9 trip bucket loader in reply to Tery, 03-15-2006 21:18:04  
Terry..The old trip bucket loaders are at least 100 times better than the scoop shovel or manure fork they were built to replace..They are the simple solution to saving your poor aching back: and being the old allis loaders only mount on an allis, they can usually be found at a bargain price..There are plenty of these throughout the country that have not had the crap beat out of them. You should be able to find one that is not twisted or bent or been reinforced with old plow shares welded to every joint..They are simple to install were designed to work off the tractor hydroulics present on a WD or WD45..Do yourself a small favor though: make six new pivot pins for the cylinder ends and loader arm pivots.. make these pins a little longer so a lynch pin can be used instead of a cotter pin or hair pin...then.put a quick coupler on the hydroulic hose that comes from your hydroulic pump..put a male end on the line for your rear arms, and anouther male end on the tee between the loader cylinders...NOW--you can put that loader on or take it off in less than two minutes. I drive my allis under a rafter or tree limb. Secure one lift arm (a small come-a-long works great, when used with a small length of chain on each end) to the tree limb or rafter...with the hydroulic lever in the down position,un-pin one of the cylinders front pin..lower the end down a bit and un-pin the bottom pin.. slide the cylinder under the tractor and let it lay there..then remove the other cylinder the same way..now you can safely reach under the tractor and uncouple the hydroulic coupler from the loader cylinders and reconnect to the rear lift cylinders.. If your tractor has a narrow front, you may wish to slide one of the cylinders over to the opposite side so your front wheels don"t run over the hose when you back up. now is the time to pull the bucket trip lever..un-pin the last two pins and back out of the loader arms..I rigged my WD45 up like this back in 1978 and would have it no other way...My uncle bought a new WD

in 1950 and had the same type loader..he used to leave his cylinders hanging on the tractor and only take the arm assembly off..Either way worked, but we both agreed that for general tractor work that don"t involve using a loader, the loader is best left hanging in a tree..BDT52 in Minnesota

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Texas Denny

03-16-2006 07:02:48




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 Re: wd9 trip bucket loader in reply to Tery, 03-15-2006 21:18:04  
Yes, I've had a WD with a loader with a trip bucket. It had a wide front and steering was OK. A narrow front will probably get harder than wide front. I've also added hydraulics to two buckets. Cost is about $250 to $300 for parts. I didn't do either of those on an Allis which I understand it is harder to do on these old Allis tractors.



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John (MO)

03-16-2006 06:24:21




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 Re: wd9 trip bucket loader in reply to Tery, 03-15-2006 21:18:04  
These loader were basically made for tractors without power steering as only a small number of even WD45` had the ps. They work fine for the tractor hydraulics if your pump isn't in too bad shape. The cylinders should be low volume high pressure if it is a #9 loader. Yes you will find you will need powerful armstrong steering once in a while if you get a big load on, but, it's 100 times better than no loader at all. It's also should be at least a $1000 cheaper than a full hydraulic loader. They are not a bad deal if you don't want to invest another $1000 in a loader and $2000 more in a tractor with ps and two way hydraulics.

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JMS/MN

03-16-2006 06:18:22




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 Re: wd9 trip bucket loader in reply to Tery, 03-15-2006 21:18:04  
The internal WD pump works fine for a loader, as long as you stay with a trip bucket and the loader has high pressure cylinders. Otherwise add an engine driven pump, which gives you independent hydraulics and you can go to a hydraulic bucket. It's possible to add a pump in front of the crankshaft. Match pressure between the pump and cylinders. Steering is going to harder with the extra weight on the front.

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ohio

03-16-2006 01:14:09




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 Re: wd9 trip bucket loader in reply to Tery, 03-15-2006 21:18:04  
i've used a wd with a fair sized farmhand loader and no p.s. . it makes your arms big. also, i would imagine that the wd's pump would'nt cut the mustard, one i use has pto pump, 21 gpm (if i remember correctly). if you have a welder and a northern catalouge, you should be able to get rid of the trip mechanism. make sure tires are loaded, or you'll be spinning like a little ford!



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