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question about Allis B and sickle mowers

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farmerwannabe

03-14-2006 15:11:41

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As many of you might know, the little be we have has a 3 pt. on it I"ve so far used to plow snow this winter. Worked great, and the tractor came with it, so I"m not complaining. My question is about sickle mowers. I don"t think the 3 pt. is quite up to the task of handling an implement like this (Old mentioned the thought it was more for looks...thanks old!). I"m thinking of getting a trailer-type sickle mower, but was wondering what size you guys recommend, and if there is one that"s better than another..and where I might be able to find one. Thanks yet again for the advice. I"m enjoying the heck out of owning and using this little tractor.

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ed in cny

03-15-2006 10:37:50

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-14-2006 15:11:41

I bought one at an auction last year for 5.00. Late in the sale and no one wanted it but me. It wa a CA#5. It was made for the CA but would and does work on the B I have. It's the 6 footer and with some modifications to the mounting hardware it works fine. I got the chance to mow down some late standing stuff and cut great. Did about 15 acres or so.

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old

03-14-2006 18:07:41

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-14-2006 15:11:41

They made a semi mount sickle mower for the B, had one on a B years ago. I just picked up a C Sunday with a belly mount sickle mower, which I think is better then the rear mount types. The one that I had years ago on my B was a 5 footer don't think it could handle much if any bigger.

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TRC

03-15-2006 08:39:43

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to old, 03-14-2006 18:07:41

I agree that the belly mount is easier to use and much more convenient. I had a belly mount sickle mower on an International 140 I had and loved it. You never have to turn your head to see what you"re doing. Tim

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farmerwannabe

03-15-2006 14:26:29

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to TRC, 03-15-2006 08:39:43

Any ideas as to where I might be able to find a 5 footer? Thanks for the replies...it"s a big help talking to people who know.

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Rod (NH)

03-15-2006 15:32:01

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-15-2006 14:26:29

Hi,

I'll agree that the belly sickle is a pleasure to use, the cutter bar is right down to your right and easily seen without having to look backwards. It's also much easier to maneuver in corners, along the edges of irregular fields and other tight places. Making sharp right angle corner turns while mowing a field from the outside in is a snap. The standard B/C mower assembly was available in both 5 and 6 foot versions, the only difference being the actual cutter bar assembly. I'm only guessing, but think the 6 foot version would be more common. Mine's a six foot and has worked fine with my '42B since it was brand new. I mow about 10 acres every year with it. I don't know where you can get one, but I have seen them for sale every once in a while. Keep your eye on ebay and the classifieds. The problem is finding one that is relatively near your location because of transportation costs. The thing with any of the B/C implements is that they are mounted assemblies that take some time and effort to attach or remove. The belly mower is certainly one of those. You'll have some fun when you try to mount one if you are alone and haven't done it before.

Rod

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TRC

03-15-2006 17:45:23

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to Rod (NH), 03-15-2006 15:32:01

Rod, I'm glad you mentioned the fact that the belly mounted sickle takes some time to mount. That is the only real drawback that I can point to regarding those mowers. Tim

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farmerwannabe

03-15-2006 16:31:49

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to Rod (NH), 03-15-2006 15:32:01

Rod, do you think one of these belly-mounted mowers would work even though our B has a 3 pt. hitch attached? I'm not sure where the sickle attaches. Thanks for the tips...I've never actually seen one of these in action, but think it'd be the way to go!

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Rod (NH)

03-15-2006 17:32:13

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-15-2006 16:31:49

I don't know how your 3pt attaches or what might be in the way. The B/C mower rear portion mounts on the draw bar with turnbuckle braces used between the draw bar and the fender mounting angles. Click on the thumbnail to bring up a full-sized rear view:

Here's an overall view that shows the mower assembly running forward to attach at the front of the torque tube:

And here's a view from the other side:

If you find a used mower assembly, be sure to ask about the special individual parts that usually get lost:
1. Drive pulley - there are different ones for use with the two pto shafts (1-1/8 early and 1-3/8 late)
2. Turnbuckle drawbar braces
3. Special tapered cast spacers that go between the drawbar and the mower side rails

The function of any these can be cobbled together in different ways but it's always nice to have the proper mounting parts as originally designed.

There are also both manual lift and hydraulic lift versions. The hydraulic version has the manual lift mechanism as part of the assembly but the manual lift version would not have those accessory parts that are needed for a hydraulic lift, even if you already have a hydraulic pump and cylinder. Those separate items may also be among the missing with a used mower.

My B was a war time B with no hydraulics so I have used a manual lift for many years. Most recently, I have added a hydraulic pump and cylinder and have fabricated the needed parts to couple that up to the mower. You can see that here if you are interested. Some of this stuff may also get in the way of your 3pt. The hydraulic lift is a nice-to-have but not necessary feature. Be sure to think everything through before you make a final decision.

Rod

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old

03-15-2006 16:50:40

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Re: question about Allis B and sickle mowers in reply to farmerwannabe, 03-15-2006 16:31:49

Drop me an e-mail and I'll send you a picture of the belly type I just got. I think that might help tell you how it mounts etc.

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