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Any body ever heard of this??

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old

02-21-2006 08:51:01




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Had a guy ask if I wanted to buy a machine from him. He says its based on a WD tractor but its turned around so you drive it with the wheels that pull going back wards of being a tractor. He syas its set up as a loader machine and was used in a gravel plant for years. Any body know what it might be or what it might be called. Also would it use the same parts as the WD tractor, he says the steering is bad and I would like to know if parts can be found to fix it.
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Dave NE IA

02-22-2006 20:41:35




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
I have a WD turned around and do alot of concrete work, lots of raw coments made when you pull in a yard, but it doesn't take long to get good ones instead. Would not take a bucket of money for it. I have two tractomotives, but they are not the same thing at all as the reversed WD. I think Tractomotives were going to be a seperate divisions in the Company. I kind of think they were headed in two different directions at one time but I think a health issue detained it, just can't remember for sure. The Tractomtive loader on mine and a Allis crawler HD5G loader are interchangable, and have AC WD and WD45 motors. There was a few posts a couple years ago on the Tractomotive issue. I spoke for my reversed WD 28 years before I got posession, When the farmer retired he saved it from the auction ring for me. Sure glad he did as a few folks came to the sale looking to buy it assuming it was for sale. My brother hates my reversed, and you will to if you think you can force the bucket into the ground. You must draft it like a plow and it will dig with the best of them. I have a snow blower on my other WD, and plan on reinstalling the snap coupler on the reversed one so I can blow snow with it. I certianly would be interested in the one you mentionedd if you are not. Location may be a issue. The ones in this area have just been plain wore out to say the least.

Prices in this area $2,000.00 -$2,500.00 in the rough, as that is all I have seen sell. The loader and live pump are the biggest concern you should probably have, as If you try hard enough you can tear a loader up, and a good pump is extreemly important. I would certianly expect the bucket to be as wide as the wheels at a min.
They are good in tight areas, a little hard to get used too perhaps. I also have a post hole digger on mine and love that a whole big bunch. They probably are not a good canidate for a heat houser. If the reversed were ever offered as factory I have never heard of it. Forklifts were factory.
Good luck Dave NE IA

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Kent of SW MO

02-22-2006 06:09:43




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
A Allis collector near me has a WC or a WD that has been reversed with a mounted swather. I think it is an early prototype.

Kent



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Texas Denny

02-21-2006 17:36:25




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
I've seen a WD set up this way and it had the stuff on the back which made it a forklift.



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Bill(Wis)

02-21-2006 17:04:36




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
I Think JMS/MN set one up that way. The first one I ever saw was a WC in Wis right after WWII. My Dad and I went to see it. It was reversed with a buck rake on it to pick up pea vines. Worked real good. Only one I ever saw but have seen pictures of lots of them. One was for sale on these pages several years ago that had a snow plow on it. I was trying to talk my brother into buying it but he just laughed at me.

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JMS/MN

02-21-2006 23:15:14




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to Bill(Wis), 02-21-2006 17:04:36  
Hey- thanks for remembering!. It is extremely easy to reverse a WD or 45. Pull the rear axles out, remove the cover plate on the rear of the differential, remove about six bolts on the carrier, turn the carrier 180 degrees, and bolt everything back together. Gives you four speeds in reverse, one speed forward! Can do a similar thing on a Farmall H or M, also some 50s era Ford tractors. Can do the same thing with a WC Allis, but need to grind some casting inside the pumpkin to gain enough space to reverse the pinion assembly. In the 70s there were two guys within 30 miles of me that made a living making reverse AC tractor loaders! Late 70s I reversed a WD, one of the two tractors I started farming with in '72. Still have it- works great for digging rock, can dig out a rock it cannot lift, but shove it off the field, with the steering wheels in the air! Now, with hydro steering units from combines in salvage yards- it would be easy to make fantastic loader units.

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ewash

02-21-2006 12:30:52




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
go to the tractor photos section of this site and type in the word "reversed". there are several pics of rigs like this including wds



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cdmn

02-21-2006 11:39:41




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
You might be talking about a Tractomotive loader, made from AC parts

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Glen in TX

02-21-2006 21:00:45




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to cdmn, 02-21-2006 11:39:41  
Thanks for the pic cdmn ! Cousin has one of those and it appears to have always been yellow and he recently rebuilt the AC WD engine in it and I did the mag and carb on it and it's still working on the farm.



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KCM

02-21-2006 11:11:44




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
Here in the midwest, all brands of tractors like Allis, International, and Ford were reversed that way to sweep hay after being cut, for feeding cattle. The ones I've seen were stock tractors modified in a machine shop, but there could have been companies out there selling kits too. Have seen them used as forklift tractors and loaders too.



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Jerry Coulter

02-21-2006 11:11:43




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
AC made a cotton picker based on the WD platform which ran backward like that.



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John (C-IL)

02-21-2006 10:51:52




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
I've seen several like that. Some are very nicely done, others are junk. If it is a reversed WD parts should be easy, and most of the conversion stuff is shop made and fairly easy to duplicate.



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bradk

02-21-2006 10:19:43




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
Old,
My brother has a WC w/this conversion.He bought it for parts a few years ago,I don't think he took anything off it yet?Pretty crazy looking setup.~brad



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bellyacre

02-21-2006 09:53:12




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
If it's just a reversed WD parts should no problem. Used to be several of these in our area, most have been worked to death by now. We would flip the differential over so the ring gear is on the opposite side of the pinion,drives the wheels th opposite direction. move the gas tank put a seat in that area,get a hydraulic steering system from a combine, mount a loader backwards. Several H & M Farmalls were reversed also, but they needed the differential cover raised or replaced with a cotton picker cover which had the seat and steering reversed

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ebbsspeed

02-21-2006 11:32:41




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to bellyacre, 02-21-2006 09:53:12  
exactly how we did it. Flip the differential carrier over so the ring was on the other side of the pinion and you had a "backwards" one. Of course you did have to modify the steering, weating, etc. Ours had an old DUAL loader on it and it worked geat.



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mike732

02-21-2006 09:37:48




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
When I was a kid my dad had a WD fork lift like that that I thought he got from AC as he was the Dealer for many years, but I don"t remember for sure. I do remember it was very handy and worked good in tight places...



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Glen in TX

02-21-2006 09:32:39




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to old, 02-21-2006 08:51:01  
I've never seen a WD done that way but some later tractors were of other brands. Just a guess but recently Edwards Equipment of Yakima, Washington 509-248-1770 made some reverse fork lift units to mount on tractors with operators station facing rear. Davis may have made some too? Again just some guesses. All kinds of short lived companies made loaders in the late 40s into the 50s with many ads in I&T Equipment File books and Tractor Field Books.

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Mark

02-21-2006 20:27:43




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to Glen in TX, 02-21-2006 09:32:39  
I know where there is a WD forklift being used everyday..at the local Southern States feed store. Looks like a factory job to me..may not be, but sure looks it.



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Glen in TX

02-21-2006 20:55:14




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 Re: Any body ever heard of this?? in reply to Mark , 02-21-2006 20:27:43  
Apparently from other posts they made lots of WDs for loaders and forklifts. Cousin has a Tractormotive loader with the WD AC engine and he recently rebuilt the engine and I did the carb and mag and it's still working. AC did make some forklifts and recently had a guys asking for parts for a AC forklift with a Buda engine.



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