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SemoRedneck

02-19-2006 07:55:32




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I have a Allis 180 with 15.5x38 tires on it. I have found a gentleman on this board that has a pair of 18.4x28s. My question is, does anyone know if they are the same height? Is there a chart out there somewhere that tells me tractor tire heights? I don't want to put on the wrong hieght of tires. Someone on this board mentioned I may have a 'high crop' if it has the 38's on it, and the 28's may be to short. Can someone help me out?

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Rod (NH)

02-19-2006 19:38:29




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 Re: tire sizes in reply to SemoRedneck, 02-19-2006 07:55:32  
Hi Semo,

No, they are not the same height. But they are not far off. There are a number of variables that need to be considered however. Most manufacturers publish dimensional characteristics of their tires. Look for a dimension called "static loaded radius". This would be the dimension from the ground to the axle centerline. Use the same manufacturer, ply and tread design. Here's an example, using Firestone:

Tire - Traction Field & Road - R-1 Tread, 6 ply
18.4x28 on 16" wide rim, 16 psig inflation, 3960# load = 26.7" static loaded radius
15.5x38 on 14" wide rim, 20 psig inflation, 3520# load = 28.4" static loaded radius

Conclusion: a comparison of the two tire sizes, each under their own unique rated conditions, would indicate that the 18.4x28 tire/rim combo would result in the axle sitting 1.7" lower than the 15.5x38 tire/rim combo. A change in any of the above variables can result in a different conclusion, although I wouldn't expect minor variations would result in a significantly different result.

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Dave Mich.

02-19-2006 18:13:02




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 Re: tire sizes in reply to SemoRedneck, 02-19-2006 07:55:32  
Denny
I think all 180's have the 8-bolt rim weather they are are 28" or 38" rims so they will bolt up no matter what size they are.



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Eldon (WA)

02-19-2006 08:41:21




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 Re: tire sizes in reply to SemoRedneck, 02-19-2006 07:55:32  
The heighth of the two tires will be close enough that you won't tell a lot of difference. I have 18.4 x 28 firestones on my 170 and had a puncture last spring so put on a set of 15.5 x 38 GoodYears that I had from a D19 (hubs were from a D17) and ran them for 3 months. It probably set the tractor up 2" higher at the most. The owners manual shows both sizes available for these tractors, so if you want to go with the wide tires go for it. Just be aware that the 18.4 x 28 tires are getting hard to find and are more expensive than a 15.5 x 38!

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Texas Denny

02-19-2006 08:22:36




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 Re: tire sizes in reply to SemoRedneck, 02-19-2006 07:55:32  
If you are just considering tires, the 28's will not fit on your rims. If you are getting the rims as well, you will need to determine if the rim will fit your axel. Some are interchangeable.

There is no chart that I am aware of of tire height. Different manufacturers actually don't make their tires the same height. Good Year, for one, had tires that were noticeably lower with the same designation as Firestone. Theoretically, the first number refers to the diameter of the cross section of the tire. Approximate height is calculated by taking twice this diameter plus the second number which is the rim diameter. The resulting number needs to be reduced by the amount that the tire circle is cut by the rim. Usually, this is a couple of inches per side of the rim (2). But the amount varies with the rim width and the tire width.

In your case, the 15.5-38 would be about 4" taller than the 18.4-28 if the rims were matched to the tire size. If the rim was a 15" on the 15.5-38 and 12" or 14" on the 18.4-28, the height of them would be similar. I estimate the height of your 15.5 tires to be 64". The 18.4 tires on 28 rims would be about 60"

The big issue is that they are not interchangeable. If you change the rim as well, the hubs may be different unless both wheels come from 180 tractors. And even then, they may be different.

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Errin OH

02-20-2006 15:12:08




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 Re: tire sizes in reply to Texas Denny, 02-19-2006 08:22:36  
Well now, that makes sence.

Thanks



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