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Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!!

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Brad Wright of

02-14-2006 15:12:30




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I am getting a little disturbed by people sasying that the allis's had problems because they jump out of gear.If you use the tractor right it will not jump out of gear. All you have to do is be patient with the gearshift. If you start to move in to gear and it makes a terrible grinding noise. Turn the tractor throttle down to a slow idle and try it again in a few seconds. You cant force it that will break things. They arent powershift tractors. Be patient with them. I wish people understood better. Its not the tractor it is the operator. Or the operators.

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Craig Lysne

02-26-2006 18:32:37




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
Yes, you are correct. My dad has two AC's and his tractors never jumped out of gear. But my grandpa has a WD-45 and it will always jump out of 1st and 3rd gear no matter what you do. This happens because he doesn't take care of the tractor. He also won't take it in to get all its other problems fixed.



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Guyzoo

02-17-2006 14:43:16




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
I agree with you, you need to take your time. And as others said, Allis did not makes poor transmissions at all, The gears Are about the double width as Farmalls.
Anyway, I didn't have problems with my WD and my WD-45 but my Farmall H Doesn't stay in 4th and 5th
Just my two cents



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Greg H. WV

02-16-2006 09:22:32




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
We have a Massy Ferguson, Ford, a John Deere, and two Allis's. About the only thing We use the D-19 for is square baling, because you are going relatively slow, and I don't have to worry about it popping out of third gear going down a hill. I know this tractor has not been taken care of over the years, but I also know that it hasn't been abused any worse than anything else we've ever owned, and this is the only tractor on my family's farm to jump out of gear. Now on my in-Laws farm, they have a John Deere 4230, with a quad range,that will jump out of c range at the drop of a hat, when going down hill mowing hay or towing a wagon. So like others have said every model has their problems, and I like the D-19, but I just don't trust it on hill sides. Sorry just my observations. Later, Greg H.

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C.B. McCune

02-16-2006 06:39:03




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
Brad, I agree with you all the way!! We have had AC's for years one we bought new in 1957 D14 and for 30 years run a front end loader on it and it has never once jumped out of gear. When you grew up on the orange paint you learned to respect it and use it properly. We have 10 AC's ranging from a 1937 WC to a 1962 D19 and the transmissions are all in good running order.



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Jonfarmer

02-15-2006 15:35:23




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
Allis did build a rather poor transmission, they are not the best, most old Farmalls aren't as fussy to shift as the Allis Landhandler series and those were build way before the 180, 185, etc... Maybe they do last a long time if everyone shifted them as they were supposed to, but most farms have to hire help, and your gonna look long and hard before you find a hired man who's going to be that gentle with the transmission. Farmall H tractors shifted easier, and I'm compairing a 1940's H to a 1970's tractor. It is a fact these transmissions don't stand up to abuse well, never did shift all that well, and many of them now have problems. Nothing to get upset about, it is a fact. Thats why they are cheap horsepower.

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Texas Denny

02-15-2006 06:45:39




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
Brad, your points are well taken. If handled properly throughout it's life, they don't have a problem.

On the other hand, all tractors are going to get a certain amount of abuse. I might point out that I have never heard of this problem in John Deere, Farmall, Ford or any other make. Allis is my favorite brand of tractors but it is not because they made the best transmissions. I'm willing to admit that they could have done a better job on their shifting linkage. On the one tractor I had this problem on, the shift linkage only put the gears half way in. As soon as the knobs lost their edge ( may have took 25 to 50 years), it would not stay in gear. A different shifter solved my problem. The new shifter pushed it into gear an addition 0.060 so it worked fine. Even at that, it wasn't fully engaged - still too far out. I believe that their manufacturing tolerances were simply too loose.

Allis's are super tractors. But they do have this problem on a lot of models.

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John T

02-15-2006 08:56:32




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Texas Denny, 02-15-2006 06:45:39  
Yo Denny, Remember, Come spring Im gonna drain my D 15 Tranny Fluid and pull that right side inspection plate n see if "WE" can fix or tweak the shifter linkage so mine stays put in 3rd gear, I NEED that for rakin hay. Dont you run off you rascal, I will reallllyyyyy y need you then.

John T



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Texas Denny

02-15-2006 14:36:36




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to John T, 02-15-2006 08:56:32  
Count on me. I'd like to tackle another one. The challenge is fun.



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John (MO)

02-15-2006 06:08:42




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
You are exactly right, these were not power shift tractors and if their drivers didn't try to shift them that way then they don't have transmission problems. No defect in the tractor, just a defect in some tractor drivers. Allis did not make their tractors idiot proof. Back in the day, being an idiot was suppose to be costly. Today it seems more a trait that is bred for.



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BCnT

02-14-2006 18:58:21




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
well...for the record...i know of alot of Allises that led long and productive lives...the problem is once the owner decides its time for a new tractor chances are the tractor is worn out and one of the EXPENSIVE problems IS worn gears and once you deal with the problem and fix it chances are it'll last you another 25-30 years...i think what most people are trying to warn of is dont pay alot of money for a tractor thats basically is going to be rebuilt completely before its usefull...unless looking purty is all ya want...i got alot of cheap pasture art...i NEED a tractor that will hold up to normal everyday work on a ranch and i would imagine i'm not alone.

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klf

02-14-2006 16:26:13




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
We bought a 175 Allis that we had to split and put gears in because it would jump out of gear. Know of other people that said this too. We know that the only way to shift the Allis is when it is standing still. The only shift on the fly is that big stick on the side called the hand clutch. Some people say the hand clutch gives the Allis live PTO. I guess to a certain extent it does.



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JMS/MN

02-15-2006 19:13:42




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to klf, 02-14-2006 16:26:13  
AC has had live pto on its tractors for over 50 years. Independent pto is a different system, but if you can stop tractor motion while the pto continues to run- it is live.



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David Maddux

02-14-2006 15:49:05




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
Brad: I think that when most people refer to tractors jumping out of gear, they are talking about going down hill and while backing the throttle off, it will jump out of gear. And I am sorry to say that Allis was bad about that. But it was usually from misuse or wear and sometimes just adjusting the shifter to push gear in a little further will correct the problem.



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old

02-14-2006 15:22:34




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 Re: Jumping out of gear!!!!!!!!!! in reply to Brad Wright of MO, 02-14-2006 15:12:30  
Sorry Brad but, there where a number of old Allis tractors that where known to have tranny problems. The D-19, the 190s and the 190XT where all known to have problems and if you buy one that was shifted on the fly or handled ruff they can and will be a problem. Seen and had more then one that would junp out of gear and once they start doing that they need to be opened up and fixed. Just part of the way some of them where and thats just part of life.

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