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B/C Hydraulic Pump

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Rod (NH)

02-10-2006 12:25:48




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Reading the post below about AGCO costs reminds me of an experience I just had concerning repair of a B hydraulic pump. I had purchased a used pump from EBAY for my AC-B not long ago. I found out that it caused a light load to leak down quite rapidly when in the hold position. I bought the pump with the idea that it was used and probably could use a rebuild anyway so I wasn't particularly disappointed. I figured I could get a bebuild kit from AGCO for less than a hundred dollars. After all, there's only a few very small parts and only one seal that should need attention. Since a rebuilt pump from a recognized source is around $250 ($200 if you have an old pump to get $50 core credit), I figured I'd be ahead of the game. Wrong. The "kit" from AGCO (part #213522) is $210. What makes this somewhat of a ripoff is that this "kit" includes a lot of pieces you probably wouldn't need and does not include some things that you probably do need - like the shaft seal. The relief valve seat is also not inculded, despite the implication in the parts book. None of the springs are included and most of the sealing washers are not included. Those parts need to be purchased separately. The relief valve seat is $34. The relief valve spring is $21. The shaft seal is $9.70. A big surprise is that the discharge valve seats are not available separately - those two particular items are only available in the "kit". You can take some consolation in that you get the pump decal included with your $210 "kit". Then add shipping costs. If you happen to need one of the discharge valve seats plus the relief valve seat, you are in for a costly exercise with AGCO. You'd be better off just buying a rebuilt pump in the first place.

Finding this situation, I took my pump apart to a limited extent to see if I could better define the leak-down problem. Most likely it would have to be with one or both of the discharge valve seats/balls/springs or in the relief valve area. To my surprise, there was no ball in the relief valve. Apparently someone had taken the pump apart in the past and lost the ball. Lucky for me, my wife had a collection of ball bearings over the years and I was able to find a 3/16" ball that works perfectly and solved my leakdown problem at no out-of-pocket cost.

I suggest anyone contemplating purchasing used pumps of unknown condition keep the above in mind.

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Dick L

02-10-2006 13:43:58




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 Re: B/C Hydraulic Pump in reply to Rod (NH), 02-10-2006 12:25:48  
Good post Rod. My first CA"s hydraulic system did not work. I took it apart and laid every thing out as it was in the pump. Looking at the drawing it was easy to see that one of the spools had been assembled backwards. The check ball was rusty because it would not hold a prime and had no oil in the pump for who knows how long. A good cleaning and properly assembled it work fine.
And the beat goes on!

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Don L C

02-11-2006 20:35:42




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 Re: B/C Hydraulic Pump in reply to Dick L, 02-10-2006 13:43:58  
I am going to guess the pump on my G is the same as the B .....it doesent work, so reading your posts, I think Ill just start off looking for a rebuilt one.....any ideas where ?

Thanks Don SW Ohio



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Rod (NH)

02-12-2006 06:18:19




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 Re: B/C Hydraulic Pump in reply to Don L C, 02-11-2006 20:35:42  
Hi Don,

According to the A&T manual that I have, your G pump is very different from the B/C pump. It is a more conventional gear type pump rather than a piston type as is the one for the B/C. The relief valve appears to be similar, however. The source that I was referring to does not list a rebuilt G pump in their catalog. The only ones listed are for B/C, CA and WD, WD45 - all piston pumps. I am not aware of any other potential sources.

I suggest you get both the service and parts manuals for the G (not the A&T one - it's not detailed enough) and do a little investigating. It may be something simple/obvious like mine was. The relief valve area would be considered suspect and a place to start, especially if oil can be pumped out an open hose. Once you get an idea where the problem might be, check with AGCO to see what parts are available individually and what the cost might be. The cost/kit situation may be quite different with your pump. I just don't know.

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