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D17 metal in bad places...

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J Henkle

02-04-2006 18:53:15




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Hello, need some advise. The day started out great but went down hill quickly�

Converted a 1963 D17 III Gas to 12V negative ground and added a 10SI alternator. The electronic ignition should be here Tuesday. This went very smooth and fit excellent, wired and ready to go. I knew things were going to well...

Here is where the day went South� Decided to change all fluids. Started with the hydraulics, which I had never changed since purchasing it in 2002, (filter was scratched with the year 2000). First thing is a long piece of Permatex stuck in the filter? Crap! Someone�s been making repairs�. Then I noticed lots of metal in the filter� Large chips, look like they would be lying below a metal lathe�. Day is ruined�. I pulled the drain plug, more metal on the magnet�. Moved on to the clutch/gear box drain plug and found additional metal, but not as much here� (hydralic fluid had always dripped from below.)

All total the metal may equal 1/2 a quarter (coin) if you chipped it up. Metal was very thin and flat. Largest pieces were slightly smaller than a pencil in diameter�. Pulled both lower pans and cleaned nothing obvious with a visual inspection�

Tractor runs and operates great! Three Pt, PTO, clutch/tranny, engine, everything is quiet and fully operational�

I know trouble lies ahead, this can�t be good. I�m not in a position to tear it down and do a rebuild... Dollars are not in the cards at the time.

I prep and plant less than 10 acres in various food plots for my hunting habit� Plowing, disking planting and dig a couple hundred holes year with the post hole digger for trees� May be plow the drive if it snows enough. (Tractor came from a small apple orchard which they used it to spray with.)

So is there something notorious in the 17s that I should know about? Any likely candidates?

Love the tractor it, but this is a major kick in the pants� What do you think? Jody

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J Henkle

02-08-2006 03:41:04




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J Henkle, 02-04-2006 18:53:15  
Thanks for the replys. I put it back together last night as is. I'm going to plow a few acers and re-check the filter.

Electronic ignition is in and timing set. It seems to purr nicely.

Rims are coming of this week for bead blasting, repair and paint.

Where do you stop with the fixes.... hahaha

Thanks again, Jody



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Texas Denny

02-06-2006 08:55:03




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J Henkle, 02-04-2006 18:53:15  
Jody, a tractor doctor deals with symptoms and cures just like a medical doctor. You found a symptom. If it isn't in the oil pan, I would wait for additional symptoms before doing anything. I don't think that is a serious symptom - particularily if everything is quiet and works correctly. I've never liked what I've found in bottom of these old cases but a few metal particles are rarely a problem. I'd just put in good quality fluids and use the tractor - you'll probably never have a problem.

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J.C. IN AZ.

02-05-2006 17:18:42




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J Henkle, 02-04-2006 18:53:15  
Am I missing something here? The last two Responders act as if your info is concerned with the Metal Fragments coming from the Crankcase while I read it as you saying the Metal is from the Hydraulic System.
If the Metal is from the Hydraulic System I would not get alarmed. Fresh Oil and new Filter should work,however if the Metal is from the Crankcase, Get real concerned and pull the Oil Pan.

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J Henkle

02-06-2006 05:00:20




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J.C. IN AZ., 02-05-2006 17:18:42  
JC, you are correct, its the hydralic/clutch/final drive areas where I found the metal. I got a little long winded on the first post. That's proably what threw them...

Thanks, Jody



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Chris(WA)

02-06-2006 02:06:45




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J.C. IN AZ., 02-05-2006 17:18:42  
JC, you are absolutely correct. I read it as he had done the engine first and then moved on to the hydraulics! The answer is still the same except for the weight of the fluid and the type of oil additive. Use a good brand of UTF and an additive. I keep my old hydraulic system working with an additive product I get at NAPA.



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BushogPapa

02-05-2006 10:23:47




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J Henkle, 02-04-2006 18:53:15  
I guess if you use good oil and don't work it hard or at full throttle, it may be ok for a while, but since it is winter..I would drop the engine oilpan and pull the rod and main caps to see which ones may need replaced... You may only need to replace one bearing, then button it back up.. I would at least check the rod bearings and the thrust bearing on the crank.. If babitt is not missing, they should be good for a long time...even if they do show wear... It would not take long, and you will have confidence in the engine after you check... Ron..

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Chris(WA)

02-05-2006 06:12:11




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 Re: D17 metal in bad places... in reply to J Henkle, 02-04-2006 18:53:15  
I feel your pain! What I would do is refill with a good brand of 15w-40 and add a bottle on Hiltons Hyperlube or whatever is your favorite brand of "engine glue". That stuff helps a lot in an engine with high hours! Good luck and I hope whatever is worn does not seek daylight!
Allis built their reputation on the fact that they just keep going and going!



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