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AC-C SPLIT

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gary case

01-06-2006 15:09:58




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GOT A 1941 ALLIS C THAT I HAVE TO PUT A FLYWHEEL OR RING GEAR ON, SO I CAN USE A STARTER ON IT. HAS ONE BUT STRIPPED. ANYWAYS I NEVER SPLIT A TRACTOR SO I NEED YOUR ADVISE, PLEASE. THE SHEET METAL IS OFF. NOW WERE DO I SUPPORT IT? GOT A CHAIN HOIST TO WORK WITH. SORRY ABOUT THESE CAPS. THANX FOR ANY HELP. GARY




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wdtom

01-08-2006 17:34:37




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to gary case, 01-06-2006 15:09:58  
I think it is far easier to support the front and for safety hang it from something, then roll the back away. The front of the bellhousing isn't too heavy, any decent dolly will take a couple of angle irons extending down from the pads on the side of the bellhousing, making the rear half of the tractor mobile again. the front with the steering axle, short length, and axle pivot is very unstable, block it, support it, chock it, hang it for safety, but don't try and roll it. As I said, the back half is very stable and easy to roll on a smooth level surface if it is supported by a dolly. Guide pins for aligning engine and bellhousing are a very good idea, but be sure to have the bellhousing surface parallel by the time you get within a few inches of together, then go slow and carefull. You will have to have the clutch plate aligned using a dummy clutch shaft, or you may be able to leave the clutch pressure plate somewhat loose and after the tractor is together rotate the engine and tighten each clutch bolt one at a time, a little at a time, the dummy shaft is by far easier. Before the clutch plate is tightened, you insert a "model" of the clutch shaft through the clutch disc and into the pilot bearing to align these parts. A wood one is fine, a few minutes on a lathe if you have one or know someone. You don't need the splines, just a good fit inside the splines, and a good fit in the pilot bearing.

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gary case

01-09-2006 13:20:26




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to wdtom, 01-08-2006 17:34:37  
thanx WDTOM IDID MAKE SOME LEGS OFF THE BELL HOUSINg with tires on the bottom. i'm still not to sure about ,were to put the chains to lift the engine. i only have the two studs coming out of the top of valve cover. i figured if i get it bolted enough and balanced it should be alright. hey you think a couple of trusses with a 2x4 across them hold it? thanx gary



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gary case

01-08-2006 07:58:49




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to gary case, 01-06-2006 15:09:58  
hi russ, thats what bob was saying. i think i better check out this tractor a little better. one thing is ,only has 2 bolts for the valve cover and it's gray. it looks like something off a ford car or tractor motor.(?)oh well i'm still pretty excited to get started and see what turns out. i really,really like the little ALLIS'S. thanx for all the help. my flywheel should be here this week.(ihope) i'll keep yuos updated. thanx gary

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CHALMERSBOB

01-07-2006 18:44:23




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to gary case, 01-06-2006 15:09:58  
I MADE UP A BRACKET THAT BOLTS TO THE TORQUE TUBE, ON THE SIDES, WITH CASTERS UNDER IT.
ON THE ENGINE I HAVE A ANGLE THAT BOLTS TO THE VALVE COVER BOLTS AND HAS A HOOK ON IT FOR A CHAIN TO LIFT THE ENGINE. IT HAS SEVERAL SETS OF HOLES TO BALANCE THE LOAD.
BOB



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BCnT

01-07-2006 11:34:06




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to gary case, 01-06-2006 15:09:58  
Gary...lil trick i use to line em back up is get 2 pieces of all thread with same thread as mounting bolts or pretty close...screw them in [one on each side]and then use nuts to draw it together...the all thread is much easier to bend and stab in holes and as it draws tite it aligns itself.



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gary case

01-07-2006 13:02:24




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to BCnT, 01-07-2006 11:34:06  
thanx BCnT, THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE A good trick. any help and tricks are greatly appreciated. gary



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russ1

01-07-2006 04:32:25




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to gary case, 01-06-2006 15:09:58  
Gary. You will need to support it under the torque tube just behind the engine and another support for the engine section. One of the supports must allow you to roll that section away. It is a fairly easy split and repair. It is important that your supports will allow you to have good alignment when it goes back together.



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gary case

01-07-2006 13:08:08




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to russ1, 01-07-2006 04:32:25  
thanx russ. i was going to hoist the frt, but i think like you said it has to roll. so the torque tube would be better to chain fall and just support the engine. you think i should remove the pan? i'd hate to bend it. ok thanx gary



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russ1

01-07-2006 13:14:40




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 Re: AC-C SPLIT in reply to gary case, 01-07-2006 13:08:08  
Gary. I would not think you would have to remove the pan. What I do to hold up the front end is use two pieces of angle drilled to fit over the two front and two rear valve cover bolts and then support the front end by lifting at the angle brackets. By doing that it is balanced and there is no danger of damaging the pan. The front is unstable because of the narrow front wheels.



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