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C loose steering question

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Ken C.

12-02-2005 19:46:45




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My '41 C apears to have some play at the two ends of the 39" heavy rod that runs along the side, connecting the top & bottom steering arms. My question concerns the connections at both ends. Can the excess play be tightened up by tightening up each nut? I took the nuts off & sprayed with JB-80, I think there is some rust there. There are no grease zerks on either end. Thanks for your help!
Ken C.

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norm in WI

12-04-2005 13:38:46




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to Ken C., 12-02-2005 19:46:45  
I had the same problem. There was originally a rubber bushing between the ball and socket. In time the rubber deteriorated leaving slop in the joint. I drilled a 1/4 inch hole in the cap on the back side of the joint and injected 3M Window-Weld(the stuff they calk windshields with) until it squeezed out around the ball. I let it cure for a few days , trimmed the excess, and filled the hole with JB Weld. It"s been a couple years and is still holding.

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Ken Cepek

12-03-2005 08:27:28




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to Ken C., 12-02-2005 19:46:45  
Thanks for the helpful info Steve. I need just a little more help so I don't break something. Can the threaded part of the ball be tapped back thru the steering rod to separate it? Also, can the ball be removed from the steering arms? My IT manual has nothing on this. Thanks again!
Ken Cepek



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steve(ill)

12-03-2005 19:22:18




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to Ken Cepek, 12-03-2005 08:27:28  
you loosen up the nut first. it pulls a tapered shaft thru the hole in the "arm". the ball is on the end of the tapered shaft inside the "joint". the hole is in the end of the "rod". afte the nut is loose, you whack the tapered shaft on the nut end and try to drive it out of the arm. sometimes you can use a tapered wedge or spreader and pound it between the arm and rod on each side of the tapered shaft and be spreading the arm from the rod, the tapered shaft pulls out of the hole.

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steve(ill)

12-03-2005 06:20:34




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to Ken C., 12-02-2005 19:46:45  
the ends are ball joints just like the ball joints on a car or truck. when the ball is worn you get slop. the nut just retains the shaft into the arm. nut does not tighten the ball.--- your only choice is to take the ball to auto store and try to match up to someting they have , then weld onto the arm, removing the old ball joint. or look on e-bay or tractor parts guys on this site and get a "good used" rod with decent ball joints.

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Ken Cepek

12-04-2005 07:26:52




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to steve(ill), 12-03-2005 06:20:34  
Steve, Thanks again, one last thing. What holds the ball in the joint? Can it also be removed?
Ken Cepek



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steve(ill)

12-04-2005 18:39:28




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to Ken Cepek, 12-04-2005 07:26:52  
the "ball" is welded to the end of the tapered stud with the threaded nut on the end. it can not be taken out of its "box". you would have to get a new assembly to replace it. the ball is spring loaded inside and some have a grease zerk to add grease. once the ball and socket get worn, they are junk.



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Ken Cepek

12-04-2005 19:56:26




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 Re: C loose steering question in reply to steve(ill), 12-04-2005 18:39:28  
Thanks Steve. That's what I needed to know. Now I know how it works & what I'm up against. Wish me luck!
Thanks for taking interest.
Ken Cepek



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