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engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b

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cjim

11-16-2005 16:02:26




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after setting a week or so when first started engine has a knock then goes away..no knock when hot... has good oil pressure when hot in the middle of normal on gauge...but if start it and run it every day has no knock or if let it crank for a little while then pull ingnition swith on does not knock after setting a week..... ..any idea as why have a knock when first started after setting a week




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Texas Denny

11-17-2005 07:24:11




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 Re: engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b in reply to cjim, 11-16-2005 16:02:26  
Well there you have it. Three opinions and they are all correct. I leaned towards the camshaft bearing because I had a light knock in a C at one time. I pulled the pan and checked all the bearing and plasti-gauged them. When I started again, I still had this light knock. All that is left is the camshaft. But it clearly could be a rod or a main just as well. The sound is different between all three but it is hard to describe a sound.

You might try adding a can of STP to your 20W50 motor oil. Oil with STP doesn't drain off so readily.

If you can't live with it, start by pulling the pan. You may be able to feel slop in the connecting rods but you may not also. Pull off the bearing caps two at a time and inspect. If one is bad it should be obvious. If they all look good, get plasti-gauge and reset them. Then pull off the mains on at a time and do the same thing. If one is bad, it should be obvious. If they look good, use plasti-gauge to reset these bearings as well.

Replace pan and run tractor. If the knock is still there, you'll need to pull the radiator off and the front end and pull the cover for the camshaft. You'll probably need the pan off again to replace cam bearings.

This is a lot of work for a small problem. I'd go for the STP trick. I've not found anything else that will work like or as well as STP. Most oil additives do little if any good.

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Whiskers1949

11-19-2005 06:47:44




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 Re: engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b in reply to Texas Denny, 11-17-2005 07:24:11  
"If they all look good, get plasti-gauge and reset them."

Exactly what do you mean? Are these bearings not regular old half-shell inserts?



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Texas Denny

11-19-2005 19:34:48




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 Re: engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b in reply to Whiskers1949, 11-19-2005 06:47:44  
Yes. They are regular half shell inserts bearings. If the babitt is gone, they shouldn't be used.



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BCnT

11-16-2005 18:55:58




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 Re: engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b in reply to cjim, 11-16-2005 16:02:26  
sounds like a worn main bearing to me...just about every ford car and truck i owned did same thing...oil is back draining and leaving a space...once oil pressure comes back up the clearance goes away and knock stops...you mite try turning it over for 10-15 seconds before you really try to start it...it shouldnt knock or at the very least it wont knock as long...it'll prob run like that from now on too...just dont run any light weight oils...straight 30 or 40 wt will work fine.

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ACIdaho

11-16-2005 17:28:19




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 Re: engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b in reply to cjim, 11-16-2005 16:02:26  
Bearing knocks are quiet under compression/firing stress and knock at the bottom of the stroke. By pulling each plug wire (one at a time) untill you get a double knock (one at the top/oone at the bottom) and can issolate the culprits location..... it should be really obvious from the change in knock.....just don't 'jolt' yourself. you can shut the thing off while pulling the plug wire he he. Chuck

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Texas Denny

11-16-2005 16:32:06




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 Re: engine knock 1948 allis chalmers b in reply to cjim, 11-16-2005 16:02:26  
I think the knock would have to come from camshaft bearings. See what others say.



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