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DBosley

07-29-1999 04:41:16




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I need information on a D-15. Would like HP rating and year of manufacturing for serial # D15-1565, also does this tractor have a "series" as a lot of AC tractors do? It also has a problem with the hydraulics. All of a sudden they quit operating.The clutch arm moves and can see it turn as is goes into the housing but there is no pressure, even though the fluid level is full. Any ideas. We are selling the tractor at auction July 31,1999. Thanks.

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Micheal

07-29-1999 05:36:52




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 Re: D-15: Info in reply to DBosley, 07-29-1999 04:41:16  
Where is the auction going to be at?

micheal



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DBosley

07-29-1999 14:04:56




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 Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to Micheal, 07-29-1999 05:36:52  
The Auction will be July 31,1999, south of Lawson Missouri. Approximately 35 miles northeast of Kansas City, MO.



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GeneD14

07-29-1999 04:52:35




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 Re: D-15: Info in reply to DBosley, 07-29-1999 04:41:16  
Your D15 is a series I 1960 model year. The 149ci gas engine had about 40pto hp.



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RMD

07-29-1999 15:22:34




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 Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to GeneD14, 07-29-1999 04:52:35  
Well after all that below, I checked my references when I got home and will have to agree with the 40 HP for the early D-15. AC played with both the rated RPM and the compression ratio for the 149 ci engine when the D-14 became the D-15 so that the HP did pick up to about 40. With the 160 ci engine the HP went up to about 46.

GeneD14 - It doesn't seem likely that AC would have put a 160 ci in your D-14 two years or more before that engine went into the D-15. So somebody probably modified it. The interesting thing is: did they also change the head and do you have the same compression ratio as a Series II D-15?, or do you have an engine that's somewhere in-between?

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GeneD14

07-30-1999 06:38:16




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 Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to RMD, 07-29-1999 15:22:34  
I can't tell for sure if the head is a D15 series II head. The water temp sensor is on the front of the head instead of the rear like other D14's that I've seen. The next time I take it in to the dealer I'm going to have them dyno test the HP.



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RMD

07-29-1999 07:41:20




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 Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to GeneD14, 07-29-1999 04:52:35  
GeneD14 - Are you sure about that HP number? That sounds like the HP for the Series II D-15 with the 163 ci engine. I have a 149 in my D-12 (same engine as D-14 and early D-15) and I know the Nebraska test was 33 PTO HP. I seem to remember that the D-12 test with the 149 was within 1 HP of the D-14/early D-15 test with the same engine.

DBosley - A 1960 D-15 would be called a Series I, although the "Series" designations were never applied to the D-XX's until a "series II" came out for a given model.

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GeneD14

07-29-1999 09:40:58




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 Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to RMD, 07-29-1999 07:41:20  
RMD: I got the hp rating from www.tractortips.com I also heard that while the displacement was 149ci the rpm's where increased to produce more hp in the D15. I have a D14 and the carb and air cleaner are much bigger than my D12 or D10. Could this be to allow more fuel in to generate more hp? I have one of the last D14's made and I ordered sleeves for the 149ci engine when I went to overhaul it. They slopped around in the block so I called my Agco dealer and they said that the last few hundred D14's had the 160ci engine so i ordered 160ci sleeves and presto ! I'm not sure of the hp or correct rpm since my tach doesnt work. Have a good day!

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RMD

07-29-1999 11:47:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to GeneD14, 07-29-1999 09:40:58  
Some other thoughts. Have you had your D-14 since new? Is it possible that the larger sleeves were installed in a previous rebuild? This makes me wonder, is there anything that would prevent installing 3.625 inch sleeves and pistons in a D-10/12?

I always thought that I would like a D-14, but then realized I could get the same engine/HP with better features (true live hydraulics and PTO, remote hydraulics with low pressure-high volume system, but no power director) in a D-10/12. You own both - how do they compare? Are your D-10/12 the 138 ci or 149 ci engine?

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GeneD14

07-29-1999 13:00:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to RMD, 07-29-1999 11:47:40  
My Agco dealer told me that AC would often try out features for the next series or model on a current model to debug it before they started to advertise and market it. He said especially near the end of a model run this would give them a tool to help move the old model before the new ones came out. My D12 has snap coupler, fully hydraulic loader,138ci engine. Tractor runs great but seems under powered for big jobs. My D10 has factory 3pt,live hydraulics,live pto, and the 149ci engine. It has noticeably more hp than the D12 and is great for mowing with a 5 or 6 foot finish mower. The live pto makes it a dream when starting and stopping. The D14 is a 1960 (I've had for 4 years)it has the 160ci engine and the hand clutch/power director. With wheel weights it weighs in at 5,100 lbs and handles a heavy 7ft rear blade with ease pushing stone or dirt. I had a 6ft bush hog for it and it handled it quite well in tall weeds (2-3ft). Just for kicks I tried it behind the D10. I had to keep the mower on the ground or the D10 would do "wheelies" but to my diappointment it boggged the engine down when I started cutting. The D14 I like for it's weight & power, the D10 for it's live pto and manuverability, and the D12 for it's loader. Eventually I would like to get a D15 & a D17 if my wife gives me the ok, I like all of them. I did hear one ac fan say "a fresh coat of orange paint can add 15hp!" Have a good day.

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RMD

07-29-1999 13:57:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to GeneD14, 07-29-1999 13:00:59  
What loader do you have on the D-12, mine has a L-200 (industrial type, made by Henry for AC). Does it have power steering? I use to have a Ford with a loader, but it always lacked traction, even with a 1100 lbs of wheel weights and loaded tires. The D-12 has much more traction with just 300 lbs of wheel weights and no fluid in the tires, but the steering is a work-out.



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GeneD14

07-30-1999 05:41:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to RMD, 07-29-1999 13:57:07  
My D12 has an Allied loader that came from the dealer when it was new according to the original owner. The tractor doesn't have power steering so it can be a "pistol" to steer at times. I put on new tires and loaded them. I converted the hitch to 3pt and usually have an implement on the rear for extra traction. It gets surprisingly good traction when using the loader. When I bought the tractor the loader ran off the rear hydrualic system and it was brutally slow and not live. So I ran a 13gpm pump out the front off the crankshaft and added a reservoir. Boy... what a huge differance!I also converted to 12volt and it starts great now. How wide is the bucket on your loader? Mine is 52".

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RMD

07-30-1999 09:41:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to GeneD14, 07-30-1999 05:41:42  
I just realized that I mis-stated the loader model - it is a L-99 which is a sister to the L-200 (the L-99 was for the D-10/12, the L-200 for the D-15; I've been talking to a guy with a L-200 in the last day or so, so I had that number in my head). The bucket is factory, 60" wide, 1/2 cy capacity. The AC setup uses a 10 gpm pump on the front of the tractor with the fluid reservior in the loader subframe.

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RMD

07-29-1999 11:38:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: D-15: Info in reply to GeneD14, 07-29-1999 09:40:58  
www.tractortips.com's "specs" don't begin to tell the story on models that had production changes or both gas and diesel engines and their data is at best incomplete and at worst inaccurate. My understanding is that the engine with the 3.875" stroke was first developed for the D-14 with a 3.5" bore (149 ci) when the D-14 was designed. This engine was used in all D-14's and the early D-15. For the Series II D-15 the bore was increased to 3.625" (160) ci. AC may have played with the rated RPM's in the meantime, but I'm pretty sure that the D-14/15 was in the 32 to 36 HP range until 160 ci engine.

In the meantime the D-14 engine with the bore reduced to 3.375" (138 ci) was used in the early D-10/12 which ran just under 30 HP. In 1962, the bore in the D-10/12 engine was increased to 3.5" (149 ci. same as D-14/early D-15)and the PTO HP went to 33.

I grew up with a couple of CA's, and it took a long time for me to understand that the D-10/12 engine was not the same block as the CA (they look the same on the outside and much of the rest of the tractor is derived from the CA). AC engine blocks differ cheifly by the stroke, and they changed the bore often between models/series. The air cleaner on my 149 ci D-12 is the same as a 128 ci CA - I think it has more to do with the available space on the machine than anything else.

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