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6060 center dish and wheels

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vwnjr

11-14-2005 17:17:20




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I'D LIKE TO PUT 30" IF NOT 34" WHEELS ON MY 6060 IN THE HOPES THIS WILL ALLOW ME TO PULL A 12' DISK ON LEVEL UNPLOWED GROUND WITHOUT SPINNING OUT ALL THE TIME. NOW HAVE 16.9 X 28" FLUIDED AND ONE WHELL WEIGHT ON IT. IT'S ALL BUT HELPLESS AS IT IS NOW. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WAS AND IS A VERY COMMON THING WITH THE 6040 TO 6080 TRACTORS.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET CENETR DISHS AND WHEELS THAT WON'T COST ME MORE THAN A NEW 70HP TRACTOR WOULD? THANK YOU.

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ANON

11-16-2005 15:51:36




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 Re: 6060 center dish and wheels in reply to vwnjr, 11-14-2005 17:17:20  
Lucky for you that the 6080 came with 18.4X34 tires so try looking around the tractor junk yards and you may find a set. They should bolt right on. Would help to know where you are located.



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vwnjr

11-17-2005 08:45:56




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 Re: 6060 center dish and wheels in reply to ANON, 11-16-2005 15:51:36  
THANKS FOR THE INFO. I'M IN SOUTH CENTRAL IN. AND AS OF A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THE YARDS AROUND ME HAD NOTHING. I'LL KEEP LOOKING. BY PUTTING LARGER ( THAT IS TALLER ) TIRES ON I'LL GAIN HIGHT ON THE HITCH AND WILL GAIN WEIGHT BY HAVING MORE AREA FOR FLUID IN THE TIRES. I KNOW ALL ABOUT THE TEST AND HAVE FOUND THAT NOT ALL TEST ARE FOR REAL EVERYDAY USE. BUT I DO KNOW THAT TALL AND NARROW GIVE BETTER TRACTION THAN SHORT AND WIDE. THIS IS FOR PULLING OF LOADS THAT ARE FOUND AROUND THE FARM, NOT AT A TEST SITE. THANKS FOR YOUR IN PUT AND KNOWAGE OF THIS ISSUE. VWNJR.

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Texas Denny

11-15-2005 07:13:32




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 Re: 6060 center dish and wheels in reply to vwnjr, 11-14-2005 17:17:20  
In case my first message is not clear, I recommend adding weight and leaving your wheels and tires as they are. Weight is what is needed. Also adjust the hitch points of the implement.



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Texas Denny

11-15-2005 07:11:47




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 Re: 6060 center dish and wheels in reply to vwnjr, 11-14-2005 17:17:20  
Scientifically, the pull you receive on a tractor is the result of friction between the the tire and the ground. The pull is directly related to a friction coefficient times the weight or pressure between the surfaces. Scientifically, the size of the tire makes little difference. Where the science fails is that the tread pattern of the tire significantly increases the friction coefficient. There is not much doubt that a larger tire in width and diameter will increase the ability to pull. But it is not a linear improvement. By this I mean, if you increase the amount of tire on the ground by 100% (you are not suggesting that much), you will not improve pull by 100%. How much it will improve is not known by me. It would take an expensive study to determine the relationship. I believe that a 100% increase will result in something like a 10 to 20% improvement. If you doubt the science, go to the tractor tests at Nebraska. Only one tractor was tested with duals in the history of these tests. However, every single tractor had a ton of extra weight added to improve traction (including the one with duals). The manufacturers engineering staff believes this science implicitly.

The science does say (and this has been proven, I've even done this in the lab myself) that by doubling the weight you will double the pull. Adding wheel weights is a guaranteed method to increase pull.

It sounds like you are pulling a disk rather than using a semi-mount. You can significantly improve pull power if you raise the hitch point on the tractor. When properly adjusted, you should notice the steering to be significantly easier. If you loose steering ability, the hitch point is too high. Having the hitch point higher will cause the weight on the front wheels of the tractor to be transferred to the rear wheels. This is the science that caused Allis to design the traction booster system. The concepts are equally effective with pull type implements.

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