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39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right!

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Steve 39 B

11-09-2005 17:35:54




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Getting ready to paint my 39 B and want to know about whether or not to paint details. For example, should orange go on hoses, clamps, wires, carb, etc.? I know the rear rims should be silver, front rims all orange. Also, what about the shift boot? Any good help would be greatly appreciated. After rebuilding the engine, buying new rubber and good urethane paint, I want to get it right! Thanks in advance

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Jason(ma)

11-12-2005 04:22:30




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-09-2005 17:35:54  
pick up a copy of Guy Fay's book "Original Aliis-Chalmers 1933-1957"

It should answer most of your questions if not all.



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mace56

11-10-2005 19:38:33




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - show vs production in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-09-2005 17:35:54  
my guess is that factory just masked off gages and steering wheel then sprayed everything they could see. Probably had runs, was missing paint in some areas they could not shoot, etc. No one even noticed or cared much.
Tractors that were used for shows, demonstrators and for advertisements probably got special treatment and may have had glossy tires, black details, leather seats, who knows.
Some dealers may have also dolled up a tractor on the floor if they found it helped make the sale.

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Texas Denny

11-10-2005 05:37:02




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-09-2005 17:35:54  
I guess I am more a heretic than most. I guess I've fixed up 10 Allis tractors from C's to D-17's. I never painted any of them with Persion Orange #1. My attitude is that you may as well leave it original if you're going to use that dull orange color. Persion Orange #2 is attractive and has some gloss. Use the brighter color and have a tractor you can be even more proud of. Remember that you may be the only one that ever looks at the tractor that would think of these differences. And I've taken the time to paint the outside of the rims on the front Aluminum a couple of times. It is extra work but looks great when done. People love it. I've found some pictures from the Allis factory and in Allis ads where they were done this way.

I would never paint an Allis anything but an Allis color but I do the starter and generator in black. Saw that in some Allis pictures as well.

I say use Allis paint but do it so it means the most to you. No one will enjoy it more than you!

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Steve 39 B

11-10-2005 06:04:21




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Texas Denny, 11-10-2005 05:37:02  
I didn't know that #1 was that dull. I guess if a tractor owner brought his tractor to an AC dealer for service and a paint job, they'd use the newer paint too (don't mean now, I mean in years gone by).

My 39 B is crank start, hand brakes, etc. About the only option on it is shutters. So, carb, hoses, hose clamps, plug wires, mag and shift boot all natural or orange?

As for rims, I guess there's a lot of variation to be found. I'm leaning toward fronts orange and rears silver (or is it aluminum?).

Again, thanks - this is a big help and I can't wait to post some finished pictures.

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steve(ill)

11-10-2005 18:40:57




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-10-2005 06:04:21  
PO1 is not dull. I used PPG 60080 with a hardener. Both my Bs glow in the dark. They are about as bright of pumpkin orange as you can get. I live in Illinois. see a lot of the C and B models with the PPG PO1 paint--- very bright and glossy.



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Steve 39 B

11-10-2005 19:02:55




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to steve(ill), 11-10-2005 18:40:57  
Ok, show me. Do you have any photos? Would love to see them. Thanks.



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steve(ill)

11-11-2005 17:41:31




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-10-2005 19:02:55  
you got e-mail photos.



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Steve 39 B

11-11-2005 18:50:05




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to steve(ill), 11-11-2005 17:41:31  
Big thanks to Steve(ill). He's right - his tractors in PO1 look awesome, not dull at all. I guess shine is more of a factor of the hardness of the paint, not the actual color. I want to use a good urethane for utlimate protection (don't want to worry about a little spilled gasoline). Don't knock PO1 - it looks great. Actually, most I've seen are #2, this might make mine stand out. Thanks again.

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Texas Denny

11-10-2005 07:23:32




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-10-2005 06:04:21  
I'd try to keep the hose all natural. The paint tends to crack on hoses and wires. If you can put in wires after painting, you can preserve the color code which can be useful. Shift boot should be unpainted. Good plan is nothing rubber to be painted. I'd leave hose clamps natural.

I'd use aluminum paint for the rims. I think that is the closest and goes on nicely with spray or a brush. If you use a brush for the aluminum, use an artist camel hair brush and practice a bit before final application - two coats necessary.

If your tractor is crank start, you don't have a starter to paint. Do you have a generator and lights? Maybe you don't and that isn't an issue either.

I recommend that you go to the menu on the side of this page and click on Tractor Photos. Do a search for Allis B. Look at the pictures on this site. You'll probably find 300 or 400 hits, some of which won't be a B. But look at them and see what is there. SOmeone may have already done what you are planning and you can see the finished article to determine if that is what you want.

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Rod (NH)

11-09-2005 18:04:42




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-09-2005 17:35:54  
Hi Steve,

Before you paint your rear rims silver just because "somebody said", you might want to take a look at this research on original colors. Black, early persian orange, silver or galvanized, other? Take your pick - what's most important is what is appealing to you, not someone else. There certainly is no uniform agreement as to the original color of the rear rims of a B, especially for the earlier model years.

third party image Rod

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Kevin (FL)

11-12-2005 05:10:00




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Rod (NH), 11-09-2005 18:04:42  
Rod,

That looks like some great info (from your link). When I tried to go to the other chapters it says that info is no longer available or something. Am I missing something or what??

Thanks,

Kevin



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steve(ill)

11-09-2005 18:52:18




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Rod (NH), 11-09-2005 18:04:42  
i agree with Rod. i am one that siad the rear rims were always galvanized. but i now think that research says they might have been painted orange in the 38-39 era.--- on the rest of the tractor, picture it going down the line, final shot is paoint, everything is now orange. presonally i would paint the starter, alternaotr, radiator all black. leve the rubber boots black for eye appeal. solid orange is kind of drab, but to each his own.

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BCnT

11-09-2005 20:59:33




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to steve(ill), 11-09-2005 18:52:18  
i'm gonna chime in with these guys...i think the detail of black hoses,stainless clamps,plated hardware,black starter-radiator just draws people in closer to see all the different parts that make up a tractor...if theres nuthin but orange pretty soon they all just blend in together...plus if you decide to sell its not hard for the buyer to SEE whats new and at least the parts have been off...cant tell ya how many ''restored tractors'' i've seen with just fresh paint :(

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Steve 39 B

11-10-2005 04:47:51




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to BCnT, 11-09-2005 20:59:33  
Really good info and advice, thanks! OK, I need to go with Persian Orange #1. Rims front and rear should be orange. Minor parts probably were orange, but leaving some natural or black does make it look more appealing. Although, this is a tough decision. Other than the new tires, everything else on this will look original including the under-the-hood muffler and the NOS oil filters I found. Got the Wacker decals (and no B for the grill either). Hmmm... decisions, decisions.

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mace56

11-11-2005 14:54:10




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 Re: 39 B - Painting details - Want to get it right in reply to Steve 39 B, 11-10-2005 04:47:51  
my guess is that your tractor will look better than tractors that left the factory. I think that is what most restorations are looking for.

Even if it was original, I hate to see painted rubber. It cracks and looks cheesy in short order. Same with black details, I like it much better even if not original. Same for black or silver exhaust manifold.



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