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Matthew c Ander

10-28-2005 19:01:14




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Well, Im in the market for my first tractor, and I was hoping to get some "informed opinions". I realize these questions have all been asked before, but one thing ive learned, is most people dont mind giving out opinions twice...or thrice or...So here goes. The old narrow vs wide question. Ive got a chance on a nice allis model c, original paint, decals, 12 volt, sickle mower ect ect. BUT im looking for a snow plowing/fire wood hauling tractor,And im concerned about the narrow front....I live in maine, and although I dont exspect to get any wood hauling work done in our annual "mud season" I would rather not be stuck EVREY time i turn around. I realize that 90% is up to the operator and im prepared for my inexsperiance to get me into "situations"....But if a narrow front is looking for trouble to begin with?....Id love to hear your opinions. Also, Trouble plowing with a NFE? We get storms that can dump 2-3 feet. Id think that a wide front would break a path for the rear? any advice on retrofitting a truck plow rigging would be awful helpful also. sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!

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Dakota Dave

10-31-2005 06:38:05




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
I used a C Allis to plow snow in upper Michigan for ten years without trouble. ( We averaged 250 inches of snow per year). A NFE works very well for toating firewood. It manauvers through the woods easy. you will be very disapointed with converting a truck plow. A C lacks the wieght & speed to make one work properly, & putting all that wieght out in frount will make it very hard to steer. Make A C channel frame from the draw Bar around the front tires and attach a straight blade to it. Just run a cable from the plow lift foward to the cultivator mount to lift the blade. A NFE is no worse in the mud than A WFE.

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Texas Denny

10-29-2005 08:02:51




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
I've read all of the posts given you. All comments have good basis. I think it would pay to re-emhasize one point. When you are trying to push something or pull something weight and traction are the two most important points. Nothing else even comes close. There are convenience issues with wide and narrow fronts. Mud is bad with narrow front but when the wheels are reversed, it is not much of a problem. Don't expect to push three foot of snow with a B or C. You need a bigger tractor - at least a WD.

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HoboBob

10-29-2005 06:59:56




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
A NF is cool for mowing ith the sharp turns. But a WF is beter for snow plowing ang hauling lumber. I would take eathere a B Or CA wiith a WF. The C would be ok if it already had a WF convertion. But it sounds like this one doesen't have a WF. A WC would be in the same price range, but it doesent have Hydrolics. Some do have a cultivator mech lift, but thats not as easy to put a plow on. For your situation, i would get a WD/WD45 with a factory Snap Coupler back blade. they may be harder to find, but they work great. HoboBob

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John (C-IL)

10-29-2005 05:05:19




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
You may want to consider moving up to a WD/WD45 on the snow plowing angle. IMHO the truck plow rigging may be too much weight for a B/C. For the extra cost you will get MUCH more tractor and it will be more versatile.



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Gary(vt)

10-29-2005 04:20:52




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
Matthew, My biggest advise for snowplowing would be to get a good set of chains, get double ring or field type, not highway type. The highway(truck) type tend to work their way between the lugs, the others will not. This will give you way better traction, especialy if you add weights to the rear.



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cbp

10-28-2005 22:47:50




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
I've had 2 Cs, 2 CAs and virtually uncountable B's. On thing is for sure, the B's and C's need weight for pushing dirt, gravel or snow. Filling the tires will go a long way and of course the C has a bit of edge there. It's not a dozer so you really can't expect that but it can do the job. On your blade, you really will need the ability to angle it so plan on that, you can't keep building up a head in front and not spin in short order. The rear tubes would probably hook to the lowers of the finals. There are bolts there strong enough to handle it. One of the B's I had was set up this way with an old plymouth steering gear to raise and lower. It worked. If you build a three-point for the C, you may want to consider a backblade for the snow, you have to run in reverse but it will get traction, just takes some getting use to.

The narrow front end can never be advised for working but I had one C with one and I loved it. I could turn it around almost on it's axis in the barn. It was just sweet, but practically speaking, converting to wide is probably the hot setup. You have to swap the cast radiator support along with the front end itself. CA wide front will work too but make sure you grab the grill too.

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Gatz

10-28-2005 19:47:55




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 Re: Same old General Questions...... in reply to Matthew c Anderson, 10-28-2005 19:01:14  
Matthew,
The wide front end will be much better for all the things you've asked about.
Mud is a problem for NFE, esp in winter when the mud gets inbetween the wheels and then may freeze.

A WFE is way ahead of NFE for plowing (once the tire width has been set correctly) as it's much easier to keep the right wheel in the furrow; whereas a narrow seems to need constant correction and will tend to wander when the tractor is pulling hard and the front end gets lighter.

Of course, economics plays a part, and you may not find a better deal for now.
Gatz

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