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Grandpa's Folly the D17 that wouldn't

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mace56

10-17-2005 19:24:53




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I was talking to Dad last weekend. Told him I had been looking for an old Allis. He reminded me that when grandpa traded the WD for a new D17 diesel they just never could get the mounted plow to run deep in our hard clay. The traction booster would pull it when the wheels started to slip and it would not return down. Guess the dealer guys were all over it for a couple of days.

Seems the boys gave Grandpa some heartburn when they passed him with the old pull type plow behind the Cockshutt. Grandma was probably no help, she always thought he traded tractors too often.

Dad said they owned that tractor til it was replaced by a 1965 830 Case with 5-16s and it never was much for plowing. As I remember, the first year with the Case was not much better, but they finally did get the plow to run right. My uncle was a district service guy for them and must have found the right adjustments.

Dad was always partial to the tall Cockshutt with flat platform. I think it was a 30 but don't exactly remember. That was the other issue with the D17, the tranny got hot on the legs when working hard so you had to ride it like a Harley.

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John (MO)

10-18-2005 06:09:56




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 Re: Grandpa's Folly the D17 that wouldn't in reply to mace56, 10-17-2005 19:24:53  
The problem was a plow issue and not a tractor issue. A little adjustment should have made the plow run at the depth needed and return to that depth when traction was no longer an issue. Certainly plow wear can cause a problem like that too. A worn out plow won"t work like one with good parts. Sounds to me like most everyone was looking for a reason to dislike the orange tractor.



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mace56

10-18-2005 16:32:55




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 Re: Grandpa's Folly in reply to John (MO), 10-18-2005 06:09:56  
Yea, I think it just took a while for the dealers to figure out the new plow/ hitch system. Dad said they finally dropped a bottom off to get match it better. The tractor was only eventually replaced by the larger Case, the family ran a D14gas with loader, purchased just a little before the D17, until they sold the farm out in the 80's. Ran a WD before that and a bit after the D17 arrived as I recall.

Never had green or red on the farm, no red dealers handy and they had some sort of falling out with the green guys. The Allis dealer was probably handiest to us and well respected. We had a pretty good collection of Allis hitch equipment too. The rear mounted sickle bar was an especially good machine.

By the way I just bought a little B but I don't have it yet.

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John (MO)

10-20-2005 06:19:10




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 Re: Grandpa's Folly in reply to mace56, 10-18-2005 16:32:55  
It would seem extremely odd to remove a bottom from a plow that a WD used to make it work on a D-17. The WD produced 30.23 horsepower at the drawbar in Nebraska test #440, while the D-17 diesel produced 46.20 horsepower at the drawbar in Nebraska test #636. The additional 15.97 drawbar horsepower should have meant you could have added at least one bottom to a plow when going from a WD to a D-17. Both tractors had the traction boost system, which was usually extremely effective when using mounted plows.

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