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Allis C cutout

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russ1

10-17-2005 05:24:40




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You provided good information earlier to get my charging system working. Thanks. Now it seems to charge constantly. Is the cutout supposed to prevent overcharging? How can I test mine to see if it is working properly before it ruins my battery? The light switch changes it from high to low.

Thanks in advance, Russ




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Jim Guarino, Agri-Service

10-23-2005 05:53:29




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 Re: Allis C cutout in reply to russ1, 10-17-2005 05:24:40  
To expand on what the others have said, it is up to the operator to control the charge rate with the light switch when using a cutout relay. If you operate the tractor for any extended time (mowing, raking, parade etc.), leave the switch in Low charge. If the tractor is operated for only short periods of time ( on the trailer, off the trailer ), you can leave the switch in High charge, but be sure to watch for any indications of overcharge. When the lights are on, the switch will also be in High charge, to compensate for the higher amperage load. In any case, the generator should be adjusted as noted in operators manual, to limit the maximum output to about 12 amps at full throttle, with the switch in the high charge position.

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Steve in N.J.

10-18-2005 19:33:54




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 Re: Allis C cutout in reply to russ1, 10-17-2005 05:24:40  
Russ,
If yer' having trouble with the OEM Headlight/Charging switch, we have rebuilt exchange units in stock if needed. Drop us a line if interested. As John mentioned, keep an eyeball on the battery and how it's acting. The smell of acid or external overflow is a sure sign of an overcharge situation. Because the system is such a simple one, you rarely see an overcharge problem with them. Also, the Reverse Current Relay (cutout) is not a Voltage regulator. As the guys mentioned, it only takes the battery out of the loop when the engine is shut down. HTH
Steve@B&B

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John T

10-17-2005 06:35:25




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 Re: Allis C cutout in reply to russ1, 10-17-2005 05:24:40  
Russ, the Cutout Relay IS NOT any sort of charge regulator. Its either open or closed. Its a Normally Open relay which closes when the Gens voltage exceeds that of the battery so it can connect to and charge it (via an ammeter usually and connection at starter or battery etc.) but open otherwise like when the tractors off so the battery dont reverse discharge through the Generator.

The light switch controller allows you to manually control the charge rate by supplying a dead ground for the gens field (high charge) or a resistive ground (low charge). If it has a 3 brush adjustable generator, thats another way to limit the Gens output, but thats harder to adjust and most people never fool with them too much.

I never had too much of a problem with overcharging on those type systems and would use high charge after start up then maybe switch to low charge after a while when not using any lights. Some automaticlaly place you in high charge when lights are on anyway. Keep an eye on the battery for excessive outgassing or boil over (signs of ovdercharging) and if youre always having to add water, but if she stays charged and theres no such battery problem I wouldnt worry too much.

To test you can monitor the batterys voltage and it shuld be around 6.3 volts setting but rise to around 6.5 to 7 or so when charging and depending on it and the Gens condition. Or else keep an eye on the batterys specific gravity now n then. Again, if she outgasses or boils over acid you may have an overcharge problem which requires more Low Charge use or adjustment if its an adjustable 3 brush generator. John T Nordhoff, retired electrical engineer in Indiana

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Kent of SW MO

10-17-2005 06:31:07




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 Re: Allis C cutout in reply to russ1, 10-17-2005 05:24:40  
Cut out ONLY keep the battery form discharging through the generator when you shut the engine down. you can limit the output of the generator by changing the position of the thrid brush in the generator. Also check that the charge rate changes when you move the light switch from high to low. You may have a bad switch.

Kent



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