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BCnT

09-26-2005 21:28:23

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to figure out whats wrong with this d17 diesel...whats the most economical,easy to locate parts,and comparable power to the 262 diesel...the 226 gas 4 banger or the gleaner 262 combine engine...i'm about ready to haul this SOB over the scales if i cant get it operational for hay haulin this winter.

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DON DITTMAR

09-28-2005 06:54:36

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to BCnT, 09-26-2005 21:28:23

The d17 and d19 do share the same diesel engine, though the only difference is the turbo. When it was in its early design stages the d19 was actually called the d18 and had the same exact engine as the d17. Allis did not figure the engine was producing enough so they added the turbo, redid the sheetmetal and called it the d19. In theory, you could put a D19 turbo diesel in the D17, but I dont know how your drivetrian would take it. Allis did this with the D17 on a corn picker, but they reccomended you did not convert it back to a farm tractor. I would like a d19 turbo diesel if anyone has one to sell...let me know...preferably a fixer upper

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Dan Weinert

09-27-2005 16:58:56

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to BCnT, 09-26-2005 21:28:23

I can share a few things I've learned over the years. I know that two years ago it cost me $4500 to rebuild the 262 diesel in my D19. I know the gas 262 and the diesel 262 in the D19 are identical blocks and either one can be made into the other I know because I have one of each and through extensive research found out a lot of things that can be interchanged. I also was told that the gleaner 262 is a perfect fit cause I know someone who did it. As for the gas 226 I have no clue.

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Dev Emch

09-27-2005 21:56:44

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You wouldnt know where to snag an extra 262 builde in reply to Dan Weinert, 09-27-2005 16:58:56

By any chance would you know where I could find an extra 262 diesel. Prefer a builder but will consider runner?

Tell us what you got done for the $4500 dollar rebuild? What parts? What machine work?

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Dan Weinert

10-03-2005 12:21:23

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Re: You wouldnt know where to snag an extra 262 bu in reply to Dev Emch, 09-27-2005 21:56:44

I don't know right off hand were to find one. The massey harris guys really like them for pulling motors. As for my engine and what I had done. I had the turbo rebuilt, the head was shipped and totally gone through and rebuilt with all new parts. I had the injectors rebuilt, and the engine was completely rebuilt with a master rebuild kit from the dealer. I didn't have any work done to the crank or cam but the bearings were replaced. I also had the radiator boiled. I also paid a diesel mechanic to have it done. He took all the parts to be worked on and picked them up. His bill was a $1,000 so I only had $3,500 in the parts and paying to have the other stuff rebuilt. It was well worth it though.

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Able

09-27-2005 10:54:24

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to BCnT, 09-26-2005 21:28:23

I use to have an old friend that had one of those D-17's with one of those 6 cylinder diesels back in the early '60's. That was one sweet running engine. The best thing to do,may not be the cheapest is to find a specialist for diesel engines.

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Dev Emch

09-27-2005 12:55:51

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to Able, 09-27-2005 10:54:24

Well, finding the exspurtssss may be the way to go. But we dont know what the old girl is doing or not doing right now. You dont hire a brain surgen if you have a minor headache. First things first. We need a description of the current situation.

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Able

09-27-2005 16:46:38

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to Dev Emch, 09-27-2005 12:55:51

Maybe he dosen't know what's wrong. If he wants to get his tractor up and running,diesel mechanic can just stop by his place and figure it out in no time wasted.

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Dev Emch

09-26-2005 23:05:21

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to BCnT, 09-26-2005 21:28:23

Sorry to hear about your frustration. What seems to be the problem(s)?

I know that you were looking for starters lately. I just looked up the starter in a brief pile of paper work I have collected. The starting motor used by the D-17 was the Delco-Remy 1113082. Now the question is why do they use the phrase "starting motor". Does this mean the bendix drive unit is missing? Or does this include the bendix drive. i dont know.

But let us know where your at with this thing...

Also keep this mind. The D-17 diesel is 3 inches longer than the gas engine version. There are two heavy cast iron plates spanning the radiator snout and the clutch housing to which loader brackets, etc. are attached. These as well as the hoods and a few other likely items are different between the two tractors. Your power steering pump is driven off of the generator on a diesel but its driven in the pulley line on the gas version.

So first things first. Tell us where you are and how the old girl is mis-behavin'.

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Hurst

09-27-2005 06:59:06

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to Dev Emch, 09-26-2005 23:05:21

Also, the diesel input shaft for the tranny was a different length, I think it was shorter, but it may have been longer. What is the problem with yours. Try wegners, they have a lot of parts for d17s. They can be expensive, but if you aren't wanting to fix it, sell the tractor to someone who will.

Hurst

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Nathan (SD)

09-27-2005 21:48:52

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RE: old wives tale in reply to Hurst, 09-27-2005 06:59:06

transmission shafts are the same. throwout bearing holders are different.

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Texas Denny

09-26-2005 21:33:08

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Re: i'm about tired of tryin in reply to BCnT, 09-26-2005 21:28:23

Sorry we weren't able to help. Can't answer your questions about the 226 and 262 Gas.

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