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dhermesc

09-26-2005 07:13:13




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What are the specs on an Allis "C"? I've been looking at buying a mower tractor and there is a "C" coming up on an auction that shows some promise.

It has a loader (no bucket) with a pump on the front. What years was it produced and how much hp does one have? Any specific deficiencies or advantages over a Farmall A?

I normally check this out on Link but their specs section is down.

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Texas Denny

09-26-2005 09:26:37




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 Re: Allis C in reply to dhermesc, 09-26-2005 07:13:13  
I have a friend with a C with a belly finish mower and he thinks it is great. I have a C that I use with a 5' brush hog and it works fine for that as well. It is a handy small tractor for light work.



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dhermesc

09-26-2005 09:38:10




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 Re: Allis C in reply to Texas Denny, 09-26-2005 09:26:37  
Any live power options?

Any common engine/transmission problems? The unit I'm looking at has the head pulled (will be getting in touch with the owner) but otherwise appears complete.



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Texas Denny

09-26-2005 14:26:50




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 Re: Allis C in reply to dhermesc, 09-26-2005 09:38:10  
dhersec, some of the CA tractors had a problem with staying gear. But the transmission on the C is made different. The C uses sliding spur gears. It shifts a little harder than the newer CA. But I've not heard much complaint about popping out of gear. If the head is pulled, You aren't going to be able to check to see if the pto works, listen to the gears, etc. Check the steering wheel play. Mine has about 30 degrees swing before it starts to turn. I'm going to need to go through the front end to fix it.

With it torn down, it should be less money unless the owner wants to guarantee that some of these things work and work right. Sounds more and more like a $500 to $700 tractor where I'm from.

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dhermesc

09-26-2005 15:01:40




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 Re: Allis C in reply to Texas Denny, 09-26-2005 14:26:50  
This thing is at a consignment auction that doesn't normally have farm equipment. They run internet bidding until an hour before the "live" auction. Currently they are only at $150, (live auction Thursday) with the lack of interest I might pick up a bargain. I just don't want to get caught standing around with my hands in my pocket not knowing if its a good deal or not.

I had been looking for a Cub, Farmall A or a Farmall C, but everytime one of those comes up they head north of $1000 real quick, no matter what condition. I don't really need it, but it looks like it might be a good winter project, especially with the loader and pump.

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Texas Denny

09-26-2005 21:21:32




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 Re: Allis C in reply to dhermesc, 09-26-2005 15:01:40  
dhermsec, a little over a year ago, an acquaintance of mine gave me the C that I have. He'd bought it in 1945 and used it regularily until 1997. He was too old to fix it up and, for nostalga, he wanted to see it new again. So he turned to me and gave it to me. It had been sitting in a shed for about 8 years. The engine was stuck, the radiator was shot, the clutch was shot, the tires all around were shot, the seat was gone, steering wore out. Even at zero cost, I wasn't sure I would have the energy or perserverance to bring it back to life. I spent 7 months working on the engine and clutch. But I did get it going. Cylinders were in spec as were pistons. No ridge in the cylinders. Bearings were good. Front and rear engine seals were good. I put some new tires on the rear and used on the front. I've now got countless hours invested and $510 of cash money. Send me an email and I'll send a picture. It's not quite done - still got that front end. But most of the money is spent. These C's can be brought back for not too much money. I'd jump on it at $500 but I would need to know a lot more about it to go higher than that. All that was good on mine could be bad on the one you are looking at.

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dhermesc

09-27-2005 05:55:13




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 Re: Allis C in reply to Texas Denny, 09-26-2005 21:21:32  
Looked at it closer last night, the head is not pulled - but the valve cover is off (missing?). All the antifreeze is in the oil, seat is gone and the hydraulic valve set up for the loader neeeds to be replaced. I'm assuming this has a sleeved engine? Don't know if its froze up or not.

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Still trying to get a hold of the consigner.


Thanks for the replies.

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Texas Denny

09-27-2005 06:06:47




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 Re: Allis C in reply to dhermesc, 09-27-2005 05:55:13  
Anti-freeze in oil is a bad sign which dramatically reduces the value - $200 if tires are good. Yes it has sleeves. The anti-freeze in the oil can come from a number of sources. I've experienced this problem with a cracked head, a cracked block and deteriorated sleeve seals on the bottom of the sleeves. I've seen replacement blocks on Ebay for $100 and replacement heads for $50. The seal o-rings cost about $10/ cylinder. Plus you'll need a gasket set that run about $50 to $75. If you need cylinders, that will cost about $500 for a rebuild kit. You could buy a single used sleeve and get the cost down substantially. Usually only 1 cylinder is stuck on a 4 cylinder (my experience again).

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JMS/MN

09-26-2005 10:22:44




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 Re: Allis C in reply to dhermesc, 09-26-2005 09:38:10  
I've always noticed a lot of mistakes in tractortips specs. Better to browse an Operator manual for the truth. The Model C did not have live hyd or pto. Only option would be what you could jerry-rig to get that. Weighs about 2200 lbs, hp in the 18-22 range (my memory). All AC tractors were known for a snappy, responsive governor and a lot of power for the size and weight. Plus, they're so darned cute!.

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J.C. IN AZ.

09-26-2005 12:30:03




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 Re: Allis C in reply to JMS/MN, 09-26-2005 10:22:44  
I owned and used on the Farm at one time or another an AC "C", an Farmall "B" which basecally is the same as a "A", and a Case "VAC". Of the three I Liked the AC"C"best until I got an AC "CA" Then things really looked up. The AC "CA" is the best alL around small tractor ever in my opinion. If asked what Tractor I would rather have of the two I would say an AC "C" before an Farmall "A". We did a lot of work with the "CA" and it never failed to perform as needed.

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JMS/MN

09-26-2005 21:22:52




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 Re: Allis C in reply to J.C. IN AZ., 09-26-2005 12:30:03  
For 2-3 years I've been dealing with a friend on a C- his brother finally decided he didn't want it, so now it's between the two of us. Personally, I'd take a CA for the live pto/hyd, but I already have two mounted implements for it (or another, too). Parents had a C when I was too young to drive, I had one when I was a teen, always thought they were a nice tractor- fit in well with the ones we farmed with a few decades ago.

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old

09-26-2005 08:16:05




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 Re: Allis C in reply to dhermesc, 09-26-2005 07:13:13  
HP is around 23 other then that I can't help you.



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