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AC B sediment bowl troubles

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farmerwannabe

09-23-2005 18:12:22




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Well, here’s my problem guys:
I bought a sediment bowl assembly because I broke the glass on mine and, after looking it over, saw the metal was really eaten away inside. I took the hood off, then the tank, drained it, and took the bowl assembly off. The original set-up has a tube between the bowl and the fuel tank that’s about 2 inches long or so…long enough so the bowl will not interfere with the gas thank mounting bracket coming off the frame. The top of the tube is larger and screws into the tank, the bottom part is much smaller and screws into the sediment bowl assembly. The NEW bowl screws directly into the fuel tank, and doesn’t clear the bracket that the tank mounting strap attaches to because it doesn't use any tube. What’s your suggestion guys? I’m having a REALLY hard time fining any replacements that are like the original, and I can’t find a bowl that will fit either. ALSO, what’s the best way to plump the fittings together? What works best to seal ‘em so there’s no leaks? I’m inexperienced with this sort of thing. Thanks again for the help.

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Steve in N.J.

09-29-2005 18:13:28




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
Wannabe,
We have the correct sediment bowls in stock for your B. Also have the adapter to add clearance for the different mounts. We also have a nice pre-bent hard line kit with fittings. Our hardline kit has an inverted flare on each end instead of the OEM compression tubing and furrel for a "no leak" fit. Drop us a line if interested....
Steve@B&B



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Zonie

09-24-2005 21:26:26




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
If you can"t find the correct spacer you could go to the hardware store and get a brass close nipple and a brass coupling of the correct size that should be close to the lenght of the spacer I see in these photos. I do have the proper sediment bowl assembly available click below:



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Dick L

09-24-2005 08:06:12




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 Nudder Picture Fer Ya in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
This is of the manifold taped out for the 1 1/4" pipe nipple. I had one done that I didn"t remember. Goes with my age.

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Dick L

09-24-2005 08:00:55




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 There Is A Difference in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
There is a difference in the tank support brackets. I thought all of my B"s and C"s had the extended coupling used but only about half do. The picture below probly shows the problem.

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Second picture of the same problem if the coupling was not used.I have the tank loose and slid out but had to use the coupling to get the seditment bowl assembly to clear the support.

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These couplings were on these tractors when I bought them.

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farmerwannabe

09-24-2005 11:45:27




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 Little more help needed (of course) in reply to Dick L, 09-24-2005 08:00:55  
Thanks for all the insights and pictures everyone. The bowl I purchased is like the ones in the pictures....the only problem is the one I took off is NOT. The extension is needed on this tractor, but the tube/extension I have is way different....it actually screws INTO the top of the sediment bowl and then into the tank. Not sure where I can find a proper one. Anyone have one not being used?

Another problem: the fuel line from the bowl to the carb. isn't hard on our B. Instead, it's a regular rubber hose that's in bad shape. I was just going to replace it with another rubber one, but with my having to use this new, wider, bowl at a different angle (the one I took off was running perdindicular with the tank, with the petcock in the back), should I go with a hard line because of the 90 degree turn? What do I seal the threads with to prevent a leak on the tank/bowl? Thanks again!

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Rod (NH)

09-24-2005 11:16:20




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 Re: There Is A Difference in reply to Dick L, 09-24-2005 08:00:55  
Hi Dick,

According to the B/C parts book, there were three different tank supports used on the B. The latest one being for tractor ser B-58401 and up. That fuel bowl extension was apparently a standard part (219139) for all Bs ser B-51293 and up. There is also a reference that particular extension replaced an earlier one (912720) that was also used. My '42B (B-58812) has the original extension and there appears to be a little more room between the fuel bowl assembly and the tank support:
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Dick L

09-24-2005 14:44:41




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 There Ya Go! in reply to Rod (NH), 09-24-2005 11:16:20  
A man with a book! Some day I"m gonna take up readin and then I will be able to keep up.

Thanks Rod, I didn"t know that. I did know that there was two different ones because I have one all painted up and started to use it and the tank was to low. The low ones didn"t have a hole for the wiring harness so I drilled one and then couldn"t use it.



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Butch(OH)

09-24-2005 08:40:57




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 Re: There Is A Difference in reply to Dick L, 09-24-2005 08:00:55  
Daggoneit Dick, I tried to play expert and you rained on my parade. LOL. Thanks for clearing this up.



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Dick L

09-24-2005 10:23:26




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 I Aint No Experty in reply to Butch(OH), 09-24-2005 08:40:57  
I just drug way to many ofem in from way to far away. You was of one mind and I was the other. When I took my camera ta prove my point I found I didn"t have a point, except under my hat. I was as supprised as any one at the differences. I have more than one tank support that are of different heights and have the different tool box patterens to match them but never checked the length. The cast support may not be different but the toolbox supports different. When I aint gots something else on my mind, or hungry, or teasin Dixie, or what ever, I"ll get out my rubber ruler and check them.

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Dick L

09-24-2005 08:18:33




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 Follow Up Picture in reply to Dick L, 09-24-2005 08:00:55  
This is one that I did"t use need an extention coupling on. The bail does rub so maybe I should have.

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Butch(OH)

09-24-2005 07:10:52




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 OK, now I am the one who is lost in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
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Here is a picture of a B-C sediment bowl mounted. The bracket that I thought you were talking about to the rear of the bowl is not part of the tank, what is yours hitting on?? Nothing in the way on mine.



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Butch(OH)

09-24-2005 07:14:14




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 An a nutter pic in reply to Butch(OH), 09-24-2005 07:10:52  
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Here is a tank I have off a tractor that i am restoring. Nothing in the way of turning this bowl. The extension fitting on this one is to repair bad tank threads , not for clearance.



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old

09-23-2005 20:39:45




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
I'd say you aren't looking in the right places. I have never had problems finding bowls and of the hole thing for any tractor. I good farm/home supply should have them and an ARCO agi dealer should have them. I also know value bilt has them. Shoot I probably have one of 2 of them.



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David Maddux

09-23-2005 20:22:37




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
I just replumbed my RC today, and had the same problem. I used a 1 1/2" pipe nipple and connector, then screwed the sedament bowl to that. Now I have plenty of clearance.



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farmerwannabe

09-23-2005 20:34:51




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to David Maddux, 09-23-2005 20:22:37  
David, I'd really like to see a picture of that if at all possible. I'm not sure what all I'd need....

Thanks for the reply.



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Butch(OH)

09-23-2005 18:58:33




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 18:12:22  
This coming from memory so I might be off a touch but there was no tube between the sediment bowl and tank originaly. Two ways to get it installed. loosen tank and move back away so it will clear the bracket or you can remove the valve and gland from the base and it will screw in without moving the tank. To remove the valve first make sure it is open a turn or so. Under the handle is the gland nut then another hex. Turn the hex cloest to the body and the whole valve assembly will come out. Then install after you have installed the base. If you are lucky the base will tighten up while pointed the right direction. If not you have to decide if you can FOR SURE make another turn. If you cant make it and have to turn back it is a for sure leak. I use teflon tape on the threads. Why do you need new line and fittings? bad before or they sold you wrong sediment bulb? Memory will get me here, can't remember tubing size for sure but I belive 1/4". Original fittngs were flared. If you have no flare tool and dont wish to buy one then you need to go with compression fittings. The sediment bowl and carburetor inlets are both 1/8" pipe. Go to NAPA and tell them you need two 1/8" male pipe to 1/4(assuming 1/4" is right)" tubing compression fittings, one straight and one 90 for the carb, most other auto stores or hardwares are poor places to get these fittings unless you get lucky have have a good store and a good sales person. You also need a couple feet of the correct size copper tube, also from NAPA, and a tube cutter. Use teflon tape on the pipe threads only, not on the compresion fittings.

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farmerwannabe

09-23-2005 20:37:06




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to Butch(OH), 09-23-2005 18:58:33  
Butch, I already have the tank off the tractor, but the sediment bowl just won't fit without the spacer. I don't know if this is original or not, but I sure can't figure out how to get it to fit without one! I'm illiterate when it comes to this sort of work.



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chalmersbob

09-24-2005 18:31:45




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 Re: AC B sediment bowl troubles in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-23-2005 20:37:06  
did your old valve have female threads on the top of it?
it should have male threads, and be the same size as the threads in the tank 3/8fip. if you need a spacer for it you can get a mip x fip as dick showed on his picture. it is a standard plumbing fitting but may be available only at a plumbing supply warehouse. they are available in steel and brass. fuel lines were all steel, with flare fittings on the ends. these can be purchased at napa as brake lines and come in various lengths with the fittings installed. they are bendable. 1/4 od is the correct size. BOB

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