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D17 lift arms

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Mike (MO)

09-14-2005 08:41:04




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My D17 lift arms will not lift. I've ensured that there's plenty of fluid. Any ideas?

Mike




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wolfman

09-14-2005 16:16:14




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to Mike (MO), 09-14-2005 08:41:04  
WD-45's and I think early D-17's had a valve you could set for either lift arms to work or remote valves to work. Could this valve have shaken loose?



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Texas Denny

09-14-2005 12:23:23




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to Mike (MO), 09-14-2005 08:41:04  
Mike, are you losing hydraulic fluid or is fluid level always unchanged? If you are, what is the level doing in the transmission?

I'm assuming you have a Series I, II or III with the internal cylinder. Occasionally a hose inside the rear axel will spring a leak or the lift cylinder seals will fail. It will cause a slow drop of the arms under a load. When it runs out of fluid, it won't lift at all. For this to happen, you must be losing hydraulic level and the transmission level has to raise.

If this doesn't fit your situation, check the linkage to make sure something hasn't fallen apart.

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JMS/MN

09-14-2005 11:52:09




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to Mike (MO), 09-14-2005 08:41:04  
Isn't there a hose inside the rear end, that sometimes fails- slow leak would mean slow relapse of the arms, major leak would be total failure to lift?



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John (MO)

09-14-2005 09:25:29




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to Mike (MO), 09-14-2005 08:41:04  
Sounds like a pump problem to me.



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old

09-14-2005 09:13:29




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to Mike (MO), 09-14-2005 08:41:04  
You have to have the clyutch out/up and the high/low either in high or low for it to work. D17 didn't have live hyds.



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JMS/MN

09-15-2005 05:34:06




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to old, 09-14-2005 09:13:29  
D17 had live hyd- Series IV had independent hyd.



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old

09-15-2005 08:49:03




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to JMS/MN, 09-15-2005 05:34:06  
The one I had series 1 didn't and thats the reason I sold it to much trouble working the loader it had.



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JMS/MN

09-16-2005 00:14:09




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to old, 09-15-2005 08:49:03  
AC had live hydraulics on the WD (1948), WD45, D14, D17, etc. Live and independent hydraulics are two different things. It has been explained on these boards a gazillion times. On a D17, the hand clutch- aka the Power Director, provides live hydraulic and pto power.



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Bill(Wis)

09-14-2005 12:01:19




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to old, 09-14-2005 09:13:29  
I believe the Series IV did have live hyd. That's the one where the hyd pump is mounted where the belt pulley had been. Also changed to low pressure high volume system at that model.



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John (MO)

09-14-2005 09:23:44




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to old, 09-14-2005 09:13:29  
Hydraulics are independent of the power director, it does not have to be in high or low, but can be in neutral.



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Mike (MO)

09-14-2005 09:19:45




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to old, 09-14-2005 09:13:29  
Here's another bit to further muddy the waters: Just prior to noticing that the lift arms would not raise, implements being used would slowly fall. Afterward the arms would rise but would not stay in the raised position. Now the arms will not raise at all (even with the clutch engaged and in high/low gear).

Mike



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BCnT

09-14-2005 09:04:34




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 Re: D17 lift arms in reply to Mike (MO), 09-14-2005 08:41:04  
sometimes my '59 d17 wont raise the lift arms till i put tractor in gear and start moving...something about the way the pump drives from what i was told by previous owner



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