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farmerwannabe

09-11-2005 06:43:43




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What is the *best* oil to use in the air cleaner oil cup? Also, when doing a fluid change, what should I use in both the engine and the transmission? Does the fluid in the transmission also act as the hydraulic fluid, like in Ford N's? One more thing...for now...is there any way to replace the air filter element? I think this one is very old and was allowed to get very, very wet with water. Thanks again, this forum and you all are great to have.

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steve(ill)

09-11-2005 16:00:45




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-11-2005 06:43:43  
the motor takes 5 quarts of oil, and you need a FRAM C159 filter. New detergent 10W30 is o.k., but it might loosen up some crud inside and will need to be chagned a couple times (once a month) if you use it. Old oil was non detergent 30 wt.--- the transmission and pro- hydraulics use 8 quarts of oil. best to use hytrans or universal hydraulic fluid. original was 20 wt motor oil. noise is normal on most early B tractors. change the oil in final drives, 90 wt quart each side, that will help some of the noise.

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Rod (NH)

09-11-2005 14:47:00




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-11-2005 06:43:43  
Hi,

The SAE 20W oil that Greg mentions below for the final drive lubrication is recommended by the last version of the B Operator's Manual. It wasn't always that way. The original "Parts Book and Operating Instructions" that came with my '42B indicates to use SAE 90 or SAE 140 in that particular application, depending on ambient temperature. If you drop the final drive pans you may find the heavier oil in there that was used in the earlier Bs. That oil never got changed in many tractors due to the fact there was no original drain plug and you had to drop the entire pan on each side to change it - or try to suck it it out through the fill hole. I actually prefer the heavier oil and use SAE80W-90 in my B at all times. I also added an easy way to drain it out w/o having to drop the pans in the future (click on the thumbnail to view a full sized picture):
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The air filter has a wire mesh internal that is not easily replaceable. I clean mine by washing with gasoline. Use standard engine oil in the cleaner cup.

Following up on Greg's reference to your earlier post linking to pictures of your B, I see that the left rear rim appears to have the original early persian orange paint on it. If true, that certainly lends credibility to the argument that some Bs had painted rear rims and not galvanized as many seem to claim quite authoritatively. Galvanizing was probably dominant in the later years but every thing I have read and seen suggests that many, if not most, of the earlier Bs had rear rims painted the same color as the tractor. This subject seems to be the source of considerable argument among B and C enthusiasts. I actually prefer the orange to the silver color. Which is why I painted mine that early persian shade.

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Dick L

09-11-2005 09:09:20




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-11-2005 06:43:43  
You being from West Branch Michigan have you ever heard of a retired teacher from there by the name of Zale Miller??



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09-11-2005 09:12:42




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to Dick L, 09-11-2005 09:09:20  
Zale Miller....I'm not familiar with that name, however we've only been up here about 6 years or so. I'm 32 y.o. so they may be a little before my time. I could ask around if you'd like.



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Dick L

09-11-2005 09:54:37




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to [email protected], 09-11-2005 09:12:42  
His wife, Wiladean Miller was County Recorder, County Treasurer, or something like that for many years, up until just a few years ago. Both retired now. Moved to a lake close by.



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Greg Ballantyne

09-11-2005 07:05:37




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to farmerwannabe, 09-11-2005 06:43:43  
Just use the same oil in the air cleaner as you put in the oil sump.

Oil sump, 4 qt. SAE 30 in the summer and SAE 20 in thw winter. I use multiple viscosity in mine.

Steering Gear, SAE 140 at all times. Fill to plug.

Final Drives, 1.5 pnts. eack. SAE 20 at all times.

Transmission/Hydraulic Pump, 6 qt. without PTO and 7 qt. with PTO. SAE 20 at all times, fill to plug.

I've never seen a B with any other air cleaning medium than the oil cup. If you have some other element it was likely added.
If I were you I'd get an operator's manual and a shop manual. They are available from links on this site I believe, and also usually for sale at steam shows this time of year.

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Greg Ballantyne

09-11-2005 07:35:20




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to Greg Ballantyne, 09-11-2005 07:05:37  
I went to your previous posting and looked at the pictures on the link, looks like a nice little B. Intersting 3 pt. setup, does it have the auxilliary hydraulic pump mounted on the PTO? I made a 3 pt. for mine, but the original pump doesn't have a high lift capability. It works pretty well with a blade like the one in the pictures of your tractor. I have a fairly long drive, about 900 feet. I let my neighbor do the snow plowing with his big tractors. A rear blade on a B isn't much good for anything deeper that 4 or 5 inches or so. Even with the blade on an angle it doesn't take long for the snow to pil up under the tractor. Of course you can try reversing the blade a pushing the snow in reverse. easier to break something that way. I see what you were talking about with the air cleaner, I wasn't thinking about the right thing before. That is a factory setup. The breather cap is on it, so water shouldn't have gotten into it. Possibly the filter element could be run through a dishwasher, or cleaned up with gasoline. New ones should be available as well, check some of the links on this site or other sites.

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09-11-2005 09:18:44




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to Greg Ballantyne, 09-11-2005 07:35:20  
The pump is running right from where the belt pulley is coming off. Not sure why the pulley's still there since it can't be used with the 3 pt.l in place, but it's neat to have. I don't know about the lifting capability yet. I'm just starting to get familiar with it. Sure seems like a neat little tractor. I'm interested in getting used to it, but first I need to get things up to snuff; there's no radiator cap (can't seem to find one locally) and I want to lube everything, incl. filling the air filter oil cup. There seems to be some noise in all gears from the transmission; seems to go just fine, but makes some noise. How much is normal (kind of a subjective question, I know)?

Thanks again for the answers to my questions. I'm sure I'll have more in the near future.

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Greg Ballantyne

09-12-2005 17:00:33




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 Re: B lubrication question in reply to [email protected], 09-11-2005 09:18:44  
My B makes some noise in every gear, seems to make the most in second gear. That's likely because second gear tends to be the most used gear for field operations. When I got the B it had a belly mower on it, looked like it had been on it for many years and the tractor likey mowed for years in second gear. Despite the noise I have had no gear trouble at all. These old tractor's drive trains are noisy, with the gearboxes and final drives. The noise doesn't neccesarily indicate a problem. Once you're used to the way it sounds when you're doing what you'll do with it then you'll notice if there is a change in the sound, possobly indicating trouble.

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farmerwannabe

09-11-2005 09:19:54




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 Oops..forgot in reply to [email protected], 09-11-2005 09:18:44  
Should I use regular motor oil or do I get something else? I've heard to not use the "modern" stuff....



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