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D17 hard to get in gear

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Steve Rolland

09-10-2005 16:03:10

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Hi, I have a D17 series 1 and it is hard to get in gear. The clutch seems good, is there a way to adjust the disk and pressure plate to make this easier? It doesnt do it always, but seems like it. Could it be something else? It doesnt pop out of any gears and the PD works good. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance

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09-14-2005 19:59:08

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Steve Rolland, 09-10-2005 16:03:10

Do you know if the clutch has been replaced recently? There can be a problem with the flywheel or the bearing holder. It might have been the bolts on the fingers. It"s been a long time since I have had to deal with this issue but I will try to look up the bulletin and tell you what the cure is. Adjustment on the clutch or the linkage will not help. If everything is correct,the tractor will work as it is supposed to.

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D-17-Dave

09-10-2005 21:49:38

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Steve Rolland, 09-10-2005 16:03:10

If it's only an occational thing I would check the clutch disc for wear, deformaty, or part of the friction lineing broken causeing a bind. Also may be the pilot bearing dry and dragging the input shaft.

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Steve rolland

09-10-2005 22:08:33

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to D-17-Dave, 09-10-2005 21:49:38

I put the tractor in 4th and took off while applying the brakes, it does not slip the clutch at all, and in 1st I can lock the brakes enough to kill the engine. The clutch engages right off the pedal. Is it possible to fix alot of this by turning the linkage in or out? Thanks

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Texas Denny

09-11-2005 15:22:12

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Steve rolland, 09-10-2005 22:08:33

I don't understand the terms "right off the pedal". How much free play do you have (motion before engaging the clutch plate)?

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Steve rolland

09-11-2005 18:09:28

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Texas Denny, 09-11-2005 15:22:12

The clutch starts about after an inch of pedal travel. I mean I can push the pedal in about an inch before the clutch starts, and there is about another 4-5" of pedal travel before all I am doing is moving the springs and levers on the pressure plate. I hope this helps explain what I am seeing. kinda hard for me to explain. Thanks again for your time.

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Texas Denny

09-11-2005 21:38:45

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Steve rolland, 09-11-2005 18:09:28

Steve, you may be describing a typical transmission. Sometimes on my D-17, it will not go into gear - usually 1st or 2nd. It is necessary to let out the clutch a little to turn the input shaft of the transmission. Other times, it will slip easily into gear.

Your description of the clutch sounds like the clutch is in excellent condition (as are the brakes) and it is properly adjusted. I believe you are describing a normal transmission.

A clutch problem would be only one of two things. That would be grinding that wouldn't permit engagement. I have that often on my Ford 8N. That is a clutch problem and you don't have it. Slipping is a clutch problem. You have neither. Not going easily into gear everytime is typical. Sometimes shifting may be hard in one gear but will go readily in another. Let out the clutch a little until slight motion, then try original gear again.

I'm afraid there is a little technique to it. This is a tractor and not a car. It doesn't have a syncronized transmission.

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Steve rolland

09-12-2005 21:08:51

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Texas Denny, 09-11-2005 21:38:45

Hi TD, thats exaclty what it does, I have to let the clutch out a smidgen till input just starts to rotate, then it will go ing, sometimes it doesnt need to be done though. I am familiar with alot of the D series transmission problems, esoecially with the notoriaty of them popping out of gears, just have never had one that was this finicky getting in gear. Is there any fix to this problem or anything to adust to make it better? Is it the gears or forks or something in particular that causes it? Thanks again for you rtime, have agood evening.

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Fat Augie

09-13-2005 11:38:32

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Steve rolland, 09-12-2005 21:08:51

I have one, a Series III and it does the same with first gear. Actually, I've had a Jeep and a Saturn that had similar problems from time to time. From my experience, every standard tranny from time to time is a bear to get in gear from a standing start.

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Texas Denny

09-13-2005 11:12:18

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Steve rolland, 09-12-2005 21:08:51

Steve, this is the nature of the beast. You can't fast shift a D-17. 1st is the worst. I usually have to fiddle a little with it. 2nd rarely has a problem. Don't think I've ever had a problem in 3rd or 4th. Occasionally reverse takes a little jog. I hope it isn't too inconvenient because there isn't anything to be adjusted.

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Steve Rolland

09-13-2005 14:20:41

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Texas Denny, 09-13-2005 11:12:18

Thanks for everyones help, it does it quite randomly in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Was hoping maybe it was going to be the forks or gears themselves as I have a complete rear half of a good d17 also. Oh well. Thanks for everyones time and advise. Have a good one.

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BCnT

09-13-2005 11:35:08

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Re: D17 hard to get in gear in reply to Texas Denny, 09-13-2005 11:12:18

my '59 d17 does same thing...works great otherwise...as my grandpa useta say...if it aint broke...dont f*** with it ;)

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