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AC D15 fair value

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Hoyt33

07-19-2005 20:48:24




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I'm looking at a D15 with loader. I have only seen pictures of it and it has been painted and looks clean. I don't know much about AC but am looking for a ballpark starting value for this tractor. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.




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Dwight (ks)

07-20-2005 18:23:22




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Hoyt33, 07-19-2005 20:48:24  
A good D15 should bring about $2500-3500. You really need to drive this tractor and find out if second and third gear is ok. The D series, especially the D14 and D15 had a bad design trait or weakness that plagued the D series and some other series, too. I owned a D14 that I sold last year and got $2300 for it. Third gear was knocked out of it. Buyer didnt care, but I wouldnt buy another D series tractor unless I second and third were solid. Second gear is what I used for mowing and third gear is what you need to rake hay with. A way to check out all the gears, esp 2nd and 3rd, is to drive it down an incline and let off the gas and see if the tranny pops out of that gear. If it pops out, Id walk away from it. If you have to have it, then knock off $6-800 minimum because that is what it will cost to rebuild in parts alone, if you can find them. You'll have to split the tractor to do the repairs.

Lastly, I went to an auction a few months ago and the guy had a cherry D15 (gas) with 1200hrs on it and all they could get for it was $2300. The tractor didnt sell that day. I talked to the seller and he said his bottom dollar was $3000.

This is kansas and allis stuff is pretty cheap, tho.

good luck. I'm not knocking allis. I liked my D14 alot, I just didnt like not having third gear and the guy I got it from told me it was perfect...

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John (MO)

07-21-2005 05:36:41




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Dwight (ks), 07-20-2005 18:23:22  
I"m not sure how it is a bad design trait that some people ground the transmission into gear so much that they wore it out during the last 40 or so years. I guess it"s a bad design trait that you have to change the oil every 10 or 15 years too, and that if you drive too much with the brakes on you are going to wear them out. Darn can"t somebody make a tractor that an idiot can"t tear up in less than 50 years? Seriously, you do need to make sure the afore mentioned idiot hasn"t messed up the transmission in the tractor, and make at least the allowances Dwight mentioned for repairs if he has.

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Dwight (ks)

07-21-2005 09:39:55




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to John (MO), 07-21-2005 05:36:41  
Now, John (MO), there WAS a design issue with the allis D14 transmission. It appears to be a stacking or an accumulation of tolerances that created a poor gear mesh engagement. Of course, it made it really bad when the operator tried to power shift the gears like you do with a car and GROUND the gears badly enough to allow it to pop out under load. THe D14 did not have a synchronous gear transmission, therefore, the problem of grinding gears could create problems as the tractor got older. Im sure you would agree that even allis didnt design their tractors to be operated improperly (grinding gears).

I will add that my dad's D14 that I drove ALOT, never ever popped out of gear. I wonder if maybe it was because dad would clobber me if I didnt shift it exactly like he told me to...

Here was Dad's directions for shifting his D14:
1. Always let the tractor come to a complete stop before shifting gears (no exceptions), 2. then always count aloud, one, two three THEN engage the shifter into gear.

Gee, I guess 40 years of GOOD tractor operating practices overcame the weak design characteristics of the D14 transmission gears.

seriously, tho. The d14 was a very good row crop tractor, but the owner needed lessons to NOT grind those gears. But on the other hand, it didnt matter if the owner liked to tear apart or pay for transmissions either. I guess.

My advice to the fella thinking about that D15 is this:
If the tranny is good when you buy it, then take care of it and you'll be very happy with it,
However, if the tranny pops out of any gear, you might want to keep looking for something else, unless you decide that problem is ok with you.

dwight

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Texas Denny

07-22-2005 15:24:21




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Dwight (ks), 07-21-2005 09:39:55  
I think it is a design flaw caused by a tolerance build up. I've bought John Deere, Farmall, Ford, Minneapolis Moline, Case, Massey Harris and Oliver tractors. I've never seen any of these other makes with a gear popping problem. I currently have 7 Allis tractors - it is my favorite brand. But whether I love them or not, they didn't design them for 90% engagement. I had a CA that had a 20% engagement. You don't have to shift improperly very much to get gear popping with a 20% engagement. They made an error. They still held up tremendously well but not as well on this issue as their competitors.

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John (MO)

07-21-2005 11:03:34




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Dwight (ks), 07-21-2005 09:39:55  
I don't think any of the D series tractors had sychronized gears, at least up thru the D-19 they didn't have. Of course the earlier AC tractors didn't either. Trying to shift on the go or with the hand clutch was not the way AC designed them. I don't know where people got the idea it was. Were other tractor transmissions scyhronized? I would not want to buy any AC tractor between a CA and a D-19, without testing the transmission. If I were to consider one that I couldn't test, I would just automatically assume that somewhere along the line previous operators had screwed it up, and take the cost of a transmission overhaul off my offering price. That being said, I really think that it is a pretty small percentage of these tractors that have this problem. But it would be my luck that I would run into 10 of them in a row. I'm just lucky that way.

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Dwight (ks)

07-21-2005 16:13:06




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to John (MO), 07-21-2005 11:03:34  
quote:"....I would not want to buy any AC tractor between a CA and a D-19, without testing the transmission. If I were to consider one that I couldn't test, I would just automatically assume that somewhere along the line previous operators had screwed it up, and take the cost of a transmission overhaul off my offering price....."

I completely agree! And it WAS my luck, but I learned something!
dwight

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John (MO)

07-22-2005 08:35:36




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Dwight (ks), 07-21-2005 16:13:06  
I just don't see how that's the tractors fault, or a design flaw. Some people can tear up an anvil with a rubber mallet. Tractors that were operated as they were designed, don't have transmission problems even after all these years.



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JMS/MN

07-22-2005 10:13:06




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to John (MO), 07-22-2005 08:35:36  
I've often heard the 3rd gear complaint and had the same wondering- since I've never had that problem with my D series tractors. Always figured it was caused by people too anxious to shift. Remember my brother's comment about neighbor kids shifting early...."Grind a pound for me, too". Seemed like those families always had more repairs on most everything.



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Texas Denny

07-20-2005 09:19:52




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Hoyt33, 07-19-2005 20:48:24  
Hoyt, John is right on with his estimates. Value is somewhere around $3500.



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John (MO)

07-20-2005 06:08:23




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Hoyt33, 07-19-2005 20:48:24  
A couple of things could change the value quite a bit, even if tractor is in good shape and runs good. First tires; new tires and tubes could cost you $1000. Second, the loader; if it is a trip bucket loader, it could add $200 to $500, but if it is a full hydraulic like a model 400 or 500 AC loader then you would need to add close to $1000. Now the tractor alone with ok tires would be in the $2500 to $3000 range. Of course this all could vary a little bit from place to place. Supply and demand you know.

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Hoyt33

07-19-2005 20:57:15




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 Re: AC D15 fair value in reply to Hoyt33, 07-19-2005 20:48:24  
It is a series 2, good metal all around and a factory 3 point.



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