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Don't know what I don't know

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RiddleMN

06-01-2005 07:22:57




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I am in need of some words of wisdom from those that are technically astute in the world of tractors. I am posting forum to forum to solicit input from those that prefer their brand names and hopefully I can way the pros and cons of all the manufacturers to formulate my course of action.

I recently moved from St. Louis, MO to mid-state Minnesota. I purchased an abandoned 9 acre farm site that has not been occupied sine 1937. 4 acres are clear and will need mowing and the rest is a thick hedge where I will place my next home. I currently own a JD 425 Lawn tractor with a 5� deck and 2-stage snowblower which everyone agrees, too small, I�ll be mowing for days so I�ll retain it for around the house.

I�ve purchased a professional manly-man 28� blade chainsaw to sever a limb or two, I will be clearing the 10-15� diameter trees to make ready the area for the house. So, I need a tractor with some pulling power so I can skid those trees out to a centralized area, some 2 acres away. Next, the locals tell me I�ll need something above 70hp to drive a brush hog for the mowing so it doesn�t bind, their example a Ford 9....too small. Also I�ll be purchasing a 6� wide 3Point snowblower to tackle the normal 5 to 6� snow drifts that everyone tells me are coming, not to mention the minus 30 to 35 degrees. Fun-fun.....

I am focused in the $5,000.00 range for the tractor. I�ve already seen 3Point Snowblowers and brush hogs in the local in the $500-800 range so that is ok but as for the tractor, any factual suggestions would be helpful. Key points - reliability, parts availability, 3Point hitch, power based on what I have written, suggested model numbers (please be specific, I�m slow on the uptake) and lastly within budget = $5,000.00. THANKS

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J.C. IN AZ.

06-07-2005 12:35:23




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
Don L C gave you the best advice you will find any where. You are so far north and the Land is so poor and rocky that the Rabbits who have not left for warmer Climes have to pack a lunch. Now in all honesty tell me if I am right or wrong.



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Don L C

06-04-2005 20:57:34




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
I am about to give you the best advice you ever got..... .first sell the new land.....Find a little farm in central Kentucky..... play with your tractor ....good hunting and fishing, rember I told you so....you are headed for a lot of misurable work....the guy back in '37 found out the hard way..... ..



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JMS/MN

06-03-2005 14:36:40




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
I suspect from your post that you are much farther north than I am- I'm an hour W, NW of Mpls. Sounds like you are farther north in the wooded, non-farming area. With your budget I would certainly recommend a gas tractor, 30-60 hp. If it is for hobby use, rather than make a living from, fuel efficiency is not an issue, compared to being able to start it in the winter so you can clear the driveway. Fuel efficiency is a factor for people who use their tractors for their livelihood. As a full-time farmer, burning 4-5000 gallons of diesel per year, that is an issue, and no way could I justify gas tractors. You have plenty of choices in that power range. AC tractors, like WD45, D17, etc. could easily handle your needs, but if you want factory 3ph, rather than an add-on, there are many Ford, JD, IH , etc. models that would suit your needs. Someone mentioned at least 70 hp if you want to run a brush hog- it doesn't take that much- depends on the width of the machine. You mention a 6 foot snowblower- you need a tractor width that matches the width of the blower. Might be hard to find a tractor that narrow. You need one with a slow reverse, narrow enough tread, and live pto will make all the difference in the world when plowing snow. Cab is a big plus when blowing snow- but your budget is a bit tight for all of that.

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cdmn

06-02-2005 21:46:11




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
Why move back to nature and then go to work to destroy it? You don't need to mow 4 acres. Have some mercy on the critters that make it their home. Learn to appreciate what's there. Even hobby farming is a never-ending series of jobs. The object is to get through life doing as few of them as possible.
As for snow-plowing, it's quite likely that one of the neighbors will keep your driveway open for a fee, or park your car near the main road. Your tractor should have a front end loader with a snow bucket. Handiest thing on the farm. There are some slightly newer and better equipped models, but I've used my Mpls JetStar3 for 18 years with complete satisfaction. I also use a 3000 Ford, but it stays put for the winter. If you want Allis, look for a D17III, 170-175 or 180-185. Might be hard to find.

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Errin OH

06-02-2005 11:07:30




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
Boy are you going to get it... LOL

I moved from the dry, hot, flat lands of Oklahoma to Ohio'er a dozen+ years ago. The first winter here we had a foot of snow on the ground for 5 months and single digits with a week of -25 deg. Quite a difference for this old okie coming from mabey 1 snow fall of 6" lasting a day and no thermo's that have markings below +10*F.

Tractor wise, You will be running that snow blower in reverse. My experence with older (60's) equipment is reverse wasn't meant for creapin. May want to find something with a hi/lo range. Not to many JD 3020 & 4020 are going to be found your price range (good ones anyway). Don't confuse the 3010 (which can be in your range)with them. Its a 4 cyl, rated at 60-65hp, is the upper limit. The 6 clys in 3020 and 4020's have a little to spare. 7000 AC's can be great tractors. They also can be a real PITA. The 301's (engine) had head issues. I have access to two (7010 & 7020) Both are real work horses and for the money great machines. Just make sure you have access to a good dealer/service center. I currently run a Case 970 but it can be finicky in cold weather. All wet clutches driven with hyds. Just about any older diesel will need to have a heater, but where you are I bet most of the gasser's will need it too. At -10 my D-19 gas will not start, PERIOD. My preference, cab is a must. Provides wind block at a min, plenty of shade on sunny day, and knocks down on the dust factor. I don't run my heater in mine. PITA - Get all fixed up to work out in the cold, strip off while in the tractor, just to put it back on to work out in the cold. Blocking the wind is more than enough.

What to get, good question. Might look at some of the following.
Ford 76 & 7700 series
AC 7, 8,000 series
IH X06 series (hopefully converted to spin on filters)
Case X70 & X90 series
Just about any JD with a 6 cyl

Look here to compair prices.

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Bewildered

06-02-2005 02:54:57




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
The snows where I am are wet and sticky, so keeping the rpm"s up and smooth is essential to not plugging up a blower. That generaly means the rate of feed also. I have been reading the other brands also, and no one has mentioned a tractor with a hydraulic transmission. Our neighbor had an International that had one but I do not know what model it was and Allis had one also I believe. Might be nice for heavy brush hogging also. As for stumps, be safe, cut all the trees and clear them and hire a backhoe to remove the stumps. Everybody I know that got hurt was trying to do something with equipment that was in disrepair or not designed for the task. Like some of the others said, stay with gas, if the power goes out a block heater does not do much good. It sounds like a beutiful place you are moving to. Enjoy it.

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Eldon (WA)

06-01-2005 20:31:46




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
I agree with going for the bigger tractors, but think you will do fine with a gas tractor on a small acreage. You'll appreciate it on those cold mornings. I always thought a gas tractor would be a gas hog, but when you compare how cheap the bigger ones go for and the price of diesel in most cases being more than regular gas, you can run thru a lot of gas and still be ahead. I have a 170 Allis gas that I brush hog with and have yet to use over 2 gallons of gas an hour.

Go to Ebay and search for Allis (sort by highest priced items first). There is an Allis 190 (80+ HP) gas tractor for under $4000 that nobody is bidding on. If it is close enough, that would be the tractor you should have.

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DaleS (WV)

06-01-2005 09:36:59




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
I would stay away from the older classic tractors that many of us, myself included, are endeared to.
To unreliable, just check out the threads on this and other tractor boards, although there are some well maintained tractors but that doesn't sound like what you want to get into.
Gerald made a very good point about the compact
tractors. I gave over 10grand for a new JD4100(20hp) and my brother bought an AC7010(over 100 hp) with low hours for six.
Also if your budget can swing it I would recommend getting a heated cab on whatever choice you make. This tractor may become a bigger part of your life than you realize.

Good luck in your decision.

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Gerald J.

06-01-2005 07:34:51




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:22:57  
Stay away from the utility tractors, like Fords, MF and such, yuppies run their prices up. Look at 65 to 90 hp farm tractors, like JD 3020 and 4020. You get a lot more tractor for the same money as a utility tractor. You can't drive one of those through a 7' tall garage door though.

The taller tractor with taller tires goes through drifts the utility tractor has to get plowed which can be very handy in the winter.

Gas tractors generally start better in the winter, though their fuel efficiency tends to be poor. Diesel tractors need heat for a few hours to start most of the winter.

You don't have to plow the drifts until you HAVE to go to town and if you've retired there, that can wait a couple days. I've learned in Central Iowa that digging or plowing as soon as the drifts show up is too soon, the wind will fill any size of gap I've made in 1/4 the time it took to creat the gap.

Snow fences, whether trees, brush, or real snow fence can control snow much of the time to save on plowing.

Gerald J.

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