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Hurst

04-22-2005 12:32:26




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I recently called a dealer near me in central Ky about a couple of allis chalmers tractors they had for sale. They have a 170, 175, and 190xt for sale. The 175 he said jumped out of 3rd gear, but other than that it is a great tractor. I was curious, when these things jump out of third gear, which gear(s) have to be replaced, is it just the 3rd, which they sell at this sight, or would there be another gear/part out? The 170 he said was in good shape and the 190xt is in good shape with the year-round cab on it. The 175 he wants $5500, the 170 he wants $4500 and the 190xt he want $5000 for it. Do these prices sound a little high? I haven't had a chance to look at them and won't until my summer break, but was trying to get an idea of what one would cost. I really like the mechanical power directors for baling, so the 17x are a plus, but the 190 xt is more powerful for the bigger jobs, but I don't know if its a series 3. Is there a way to get the 170 to put out as much horsepower as the 175, since I know the rear ends can handle it since they are all series 4 d17 rear ends? If so how can I get that kind of hp out of it? Can I turn up the pump on the perkins in it? Thanks in advance for all your help.

Hurst

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Oliver

04-25-2005 06:35:52




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to Hurst, 04-22-2005 12:32:26  
"I like the idea of a turbo like the 190 xt(nice chrome straight pipe :D)."

Yeah thats cool dude, pump it up and blow some smoke. Have some milk and cookies and go back to the sand box.



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Sid

04-22-2005 20:12:33




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to Hurst, 04-22-2005 12:32:26  
I have seen those models you listed around here in pretty rough condition go for about what you are taling about. You asked below about how many remotes on the 170 mine has two. And I pull a 4x5 round baler with it.



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cadet trooper

04-22-2005 18:21:44




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to Hurst, 04-22-2005 12:32:26  
The one tractor I think you really need wasn't mentioned and that is either a 180 or 185 diesel for what you need unfortunately everyone keeps them or they are worn out. 301ci engine same as the 190 only naturally asperated,nimble and will do what you want to do going away. The only thing that might be a weakness is that goofy brake system when they get get worn they tend to lockup. You could put a blower on it iffen you wanna but remember the rearend is pretty well maxed out with a flanged axle. My two cents.

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Hurst

04-22-2005 20:05:52




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to cadet trooper, 04-22-2005 18:21:44  
My uncle has a 180 on his farm, and it is a pretty decent tractor, but the only thing is that I like the 170 and 175's mechanical power director, or if I can't have that, I like the 190xt with the turbo, but preferably, I want a 170 or 175 diesel with dual remotes and 3pt. I am assuming that the 170 that the dealer has is a diesel since he wants 4500, but I will try to call back tom. and make sure, I really don't want to mess with a gasser with the fuel prices, and also, there is much more that can go wrong with a gas in my opinion, and I'm just a diesel fan. Thanks for your opinion, I really appreciate it, I just don't think that that tractor would be the right size for what I need, I really think I could take the 190xt out of this and just say the 170 or 175. If the 175 jumps out of gear, should I be able to talk the price down, since it will likely be almost 400-500 dollars in parts and a long, tedious repair? Thanks in advance for you input

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JMS/MN

04-22-2005 13:18:25




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to Hurst, 04-22-2005 12:32:26  
The Series One 190XT was known for poor rear ends, until AC did updates on it. Why? Because it was a D19 rear end with another 20 hp pumped into it. You want to punch the hp on a 170 to match a 175 because they have the same rear end as a smaller D17? Why do AC tractors have problems with third gear- because people abuse them, not waiting for the foot clutch to do its job and wait for all of the parts to quit turning. They need to grind the gears. That is plural- if third gear is stripped, so is the one mating to it. What kind of baling do you intend to do- small squares? You're talking 53-93 hp with the tractors listed and if they can't run any small baler, there is something wrong with the tractor. You don't need more hp. They can also run any round baler.

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Hurst

04-22-2005 14:13:22




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to JMS/MN, 04-22-2005 13:18:25  
I know they will all pull our 311 hayliner, but I was wondering what you all thought. So what I am getting is that I should just ignore 175. I like the idea of a turbo like the 190 xt(nice chrome straight pipe :D). Would the 170 be a good tractor for an 4x5 ft round baler, a 20 ft b320 batwing in horse pastures (was designed to be pulled with a ford 5000), pull a 20 ft chain harrow, do a little plowing possibly with a 3-16 allis with 3 pt, pull an 8ft disk mower? Thanks in advance. And what I was saying is that the rear end on the 170s andn 175s are the same and also the same as the d17 series 4, or so I have been told, so I could be wrong. Also, how many hydraulic remotes does the 170 have? If it only has 1, could another be added easily and not real expensively? Anything to look out for on the 170 besides jumping out of gear? Thanks]

Hurst

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JMS/MN

04-23-2005 11:28:47




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to Hurst, 04-22-2005 14:13:22  
When I started farming in '72, our neighbor's main tractor was a 170, farmed a couple hundred acres of corn ground for his hog operation. Good tractor for that work. I think multiple remotes are available. I messed up - the 190XT was actually 30 hp more than the D19, thus the reason for axle updates, and some dealers did it for all of their customers, and some did not. You need to know what to look for with them, might even be a change in axle diameter along with the internal gear changes. I don't know. I'm comfortable with setting an injector pump for an extra 10 percent power, have three JDs with total of over 28000 hours on first engines, but if you go wild with the pump it is extra tough on pieces.

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Eldon (WA)

04-22-2005 12:46:27




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 Re: Hundred series tractors in reply to Hurst, 04-22-2005 12:32:26  
Let's put it this way.....if the 3rd gear jumping was an easy fix the dealer would have already fixed it.



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