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Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed

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Tim McCormack

04-18-2005 16:13:15




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I left my allis B in a back barn this fall when her rear tire went flat. several times this winter I used the crank and turned her over, but when I went to start her up, I found that the motor is stuck fast. I broke the hand crank trying to free it up.

To date, I've pulled the plugs and squirted marvel mystery oil in the cylinders. I pulled the starter to make sure it wasn't hanging up I removed the valve cover and everything is nice and shiny in there and the valves all work smoothly.

What is my next move? I don't want to tow her and trying to release the clutch to break it free for fear of damaging the engine (unless advised to do so) Or do I take the head off to see what's happening in there, or do I take the pan route to see if I can work it free from that direction?

I'm the second owner of this gem and the original owner said that he'd never had the head off... and that the tractor only has several hundred hours on it from day one, it ran strong, started easily and used no oil last year.

The oil shows no sign of water in it, however, the part of the barn that the tractor was parked in gets rain blown in at times and I'm suspecting that rain had leaked past the muffler /manifold union and that's the culprit. Since I'm in Fla, there wasn't any freeze danger to cause damage and the radiator is full of water.

Any advice on which direction to turn will certainly be appreciated!

Thanks.... Tim.

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billy ar

04-28-2005 08:04:08




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Tim McCormack, 04-18-2005 16:13:15  
This might work, hook the hose from a high pressure hot water washer to block with the radiator unhooked the hot water running in the block might expand the block and sleeves evenly and free the pistons without alot of work.



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breedlove

04-20-2005 13:20:31




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Tim McCormack, 04-18-2005 16:13:15  
fill cilinders with charcoal lighter let set a few days watch and see



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Kevin (FL)

04-20-2005 06:42:49




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Tim McCormack, 04-18-2005 16:13:15  
Tim,

Try pushing (and holding) the clutch in while the tractor is in gear and see if the tractor will roll. Use another tractor or truck to pull the B from the drawbar. If the tractor doesn't want to roll then the clutch is stuck to the flywheel and needs to be freed up. You can free up the clutch by towing the B with the clutch depressed and the tranny in gear. Sometimes you can rock the rear tires back and forth while someone is sitting on the tractor--again with the clutch depressed and the tranny in gear. A good hot battery and good electric started can also be used to break the bond between clutch and flywheel.

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M Nut

04-19-2005 08:52:23




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Tim McCormack, 04-18-2005 16:13:15  
After soaking the cylinders, I've had luck with pulling the starter and applying pressure to the ring gear with a pry bar. Don't beat on the bar or jerk it. Just even steady pressure and it just might pop loose.



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bw in mo

04-18-2005 19:51:01




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Tim McCormack, 04-18-2005 16:13:15  
Tim, pull the starter to make sure that it is ton stuck in flywheel. Jack one rear wheel up to clear ground try rocking the wheel you mite brake it loose this way. What happened when you turned it over with crank & didn't start it was the rings wiped the oil off of the sleves which left them dry of oil. It shouldn't be to tight. try rocking the wheel every time you go by for several days. PS put it in high gear. BW

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Rod (NH)

04-18-2005 17:30:59




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Tim McCormack, 04-18-2005 16:13:15  
Hi Tim,

You broke the hand crank? Wow. I sure wouldn't tow it or otherwise unduly force things. If it were mine, I'd remove the head and see what the situation might be in the cylinders. You are not likely to learn much by dropping the pan first. I assume you have tried rotating it with all plugs removed so as to eliminate the possibility of a hydraulic lock problem.

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85_Ranger4x4

04-19-2005 16:15:18




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to Rod (NH), 04-18-2005 17:30:59  
With my C I let it sit out in one rainstorm and it got stuck, we tried everything to get it unstuck, eventually had to pull the head off and hone the sleeves, they got rust on them and wouldn't let the piston move, wasn't seized, just couldn't move.



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mark

04-19-2005 19:18:06




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 Re: Allis 'B' unsticking motor advice needed in reply to 85_Ranger4x4, 04-19-2005 16:15:18  
I'm not going to suggest anything, just want to relate a story:

Several years ago, I had a JD 430 and the engine stuck. I squirted penetrating oil in the cylinders, let them soak for a week and still stuck tight as a wedge. I tried the bar on the flywheel trick...useless. I tried bumping the starter in adddition to bar pressure....no go. I then towed and popped the clutch.....the tires skidded.

Finally, out came the wrenches and off came the head. Being a 2 cylinder, helped, hehe! Anyway, there was the slightest movement of the rear piston, so the front was the culprit. I soaked it again, no help. I was stumped. I had a big talk with a pal of mine and we decided to take a chunk of 4x4, sit it on the piston and apply some judicious taps. Defeat. Finally my ol' buddy says, you might as well whack the hell out of it because if it's stuck that tight, you're going either bust the piston or free it..... but it has got to come loose one way....or another, sure as hell no good the way it is. John Henry never struck a railroad spike any harder than we did that piston using an 8 lbs. sledge and a piece of 4x4. BUT, it finally broke free and none the worse for wear. WE socked a cylinder hone in and polished it a bit, oiled the cylinders and let the starting motor whirl the pistons and everything looked good. The head went back on and that tractor is still running a good ten years later. Now before the whole crowd jumps up to declare how lucky we were, save your breath. I'm aware of that. But, the bottom line is; when all else fails a bigger hammer sometimes DOES work!

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