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D19 diesel

04-14-2005 19:47:16




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I have found a d19 diesel that is about 150 miles away from me (its at a local dealer, not the one on ebay). The dealer said it was a working tractor that was traded for a JD 3010 bc the guy was a JD man. He said it smoked some, but the owner was going to do an overhaul, so he put new rings and bearings on the motor, but they need to be reinstalled. The dealer is asking 2500, and he will also give me the name and # of the original owner so I can call him up and ask him about the tractor. I have yet to get a picture of it, so I'm not sure what kind of shape it is in. Would you all reccommend this model for this price, and under what circumstances? Should the price be lower or higher? Thanks for all your input. Also, the head has just been machined, so I don't know what that will mean. Thanks in advance!

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Don Dittmar

04-16-2005 04:29:35




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 Re: Hurst in reply to D19 diesel, 04-14-2005 19:47:16  
You also have to keep in mind the D19 is turbocharged, whcich could be the cause of your somke, and be the start of something serious. If the turbo is starting to go, and it is left unfixed, sooner or leater those seals are going to go out completley and when the do...look out.



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Hurst

04-16-2005 06:59:59




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 Re: Hurst in reply to Don Dittmar, 04-16-2005 04:29:35  
If the turbo is about to go out, what all will need to be repaired if caught in time? Also, where could I get it rebuilt and for about how much, so far, from searching through the forums I have seen about 500, is that about right to get the turbo rebuilt correctly? That sounds reasonable, since what I believe happened was the original owner saw that the tractor was starting to smoke, so he thought that new rings on the pistons and bearings on the rods and crank would solve the problem, and when that didn't work, he sold it, telling the dealer that he must have installed something incorrectly. Also, what color smoke would I be looking for from the turbo? Would this be where oil is getting into the exhaust? What would a new turbo for one of these tractors run? Thanks for all your help, hopefully I will get the previous owner's phone number and name so that I can ask him what exactly went wrong with the tractor and why he sold it. Even if there isn't anything wrong with the turbo or engine, like its just the timing or injectors (which he said were rebuilt) I can try to talk the price down quite abit, telling him howmuch an overhaul kit costs (if it needs one, it may come with another set of rings and bearings where the previous owner never put them on) and also mention the cost of a turbo. Thanks for all your input and warnings


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John (MO)

04-15-2005 06:10:07




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 Re: Hurst in reply to D19 diesel, 04-14-2005 19:47:16  
I think $2500 is the price for a good running D-19 deisel, not one that needs the motor torn down. It sure sounds to me like the previous owner did something wrong in his attempt at an overhaul. I would be afraid there was a lot more to the story than just that the guy was a JD fan. He traded down 10 hp, and got rid of a tractor that it sounds like he put quite a bit of time and money into. My guess is he didn"t do the overhaul so he could have get a little bit of trade in out of it. I do mean a little bit of trade in, if the dealer is asking $2500, you know he only has a little over $1000 in it. The owner would have been much better off parting the tractor out rather than doing an overhaul. If you give $2500 for the tractor, how much do you think you will have in it after you do rings and bearing again? I"m sure the diesel model is worth some more than a gas model, but how much is the question. Also can you afford the down time while getting whatever is wrong with this tractor corrected. I"d want a LOT better idea of what went wrong with that last overhaul before I jumped on this deal.

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Hurst

04-15-2005 08:55:31




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 Re: Hurst in reply to John (MO), 04-15-2005 06:10:07  
I e-mailed him back for some photos and the number of the previous owner to ask him what all he did or tried to do. I was thinking that 2500 is a little too high, but I'm not sure if the tractor is put back together or not, what I think it was is that the previous owner thought he needed to reinstall all the rod bearings, main bearings, and rings because it was still smoking some after the overhaul, but he went on and used it on his farm some before trading it in for the JD. Our old D17 series 4 diesel used to smoke a lot, so I'm not sure that there is anything wrong with the motor, since it smoked some even after an overhaul? I need to get an oil pressure test too I guess to figure out the bearings? Thanks for you help. and anyone else who knows if these tractors smoke, let me know what you think

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John (MO)

04-15-2005 09:31:05




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 Re: Hurst in reply to Hurst, 04-15-2005 08:55:31  
Guess it could be the pump is not set quite right, I'm not real good with diesels. I'd say if you can find out that you really don't need to do more than some adjustments and tinkering, then you've found a pretty good deal. I bought an AGCO Allis lawn tractor a few years ago from the local JD dealer. The color offended his eyes and he sold it for less than half what he was asking for the same age and size JD mowers, and this was in better condition than most of the JD's too. I knew the original owners brother and found out he traded because he wanted to move up to a compact tractor. Same dealer sold a AC 500 loader for almost nothing also, but I was a day late seeing that one. Needless to say I watch for orange to pop up on his lot, cause I know he'll want to get rid of it in a hurry. Funny thing is, the loader tractor the dealership has had for years is AC 190XT with a wierd looking loader and tons of weights on the rear.

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