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Hurst

04-11-2005 18:34:49




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How many hydraulic outlets does a d19 have. If it only has 1 set of remotes, is it possible to add a 2nd? Was there an auxilary tank avalible for some sort of fluid that mounted on the front? What are some things that could go wrong with this tractor? Also, how much gas does it use under normal working load, nothing too terribly hard? Thanks, in advance

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John (MO)

04-12-2005 05:41:52




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 Re: D19 in reply to Hurst, 04-11-2005 18:34:49  
Yes you can add a second set by simply unscrewing the plugs in the block by the first set and screwing in a set of remote outlets. There is no remote tank, it"s all internal. The D-19 has 3 hydraulic controls by the left side of the seat the control nearest the seat is for the lift arms, and the other two are for remotes. I believe that you can even add a third set of remotes as simply as the second set but I"ll have to check the manual on that one. I do know that there are provisions for the remotes to be added to the back of the block or to the front of the hydraulic block, depending on what sort of hydraulic implement you are using. It seems that someone who doesn"t know the D-19 has given you incorrect information about not being able to do what you ask about.

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Hurst

04-12-2005 06:24:48




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 Re: D19 in reply to John (MO), 04-12-2005 05:41:52  
I forgot to add that the tractor comes with a set of duals, which have tires with about 10% at worst. It has the clamp on rims instead of power adjust if that makes a difference. It was originally a diesel, but was converted to a gas. (has a 262 buda gas). Again, thanks

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Hurst

04-12-2005 06:22:44




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 Re: D19 in reply to John (MO), 04-12-2005 05:41:52  
Would you recommend buying a gas d19? I have heard they are has hogs, but am not sure how bad they are compared to most diesel tractors. How would the economy compare to say a ford 6610 diesel? Is the fuel economy mostly dependent upon how hard you use the tractor, because the most I would really do with this tractor is square and round bale in the summer, and maybe a little batwinging and tillage? Also, are the gas engines reliable? The guy says it doesn't jump out of gear, and I will not be able to look at the tractor before buying since I am at boarding school and don't have another break until summer? The tractor does have an auxilary fuel tank on the front, about 75% tires and near bald front and snap coupler hitch. Thanks for the help in advance.

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John (MO)

04-12-2005 08:29:54




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 Re: D19 in reply to Hurst, 04-12-2005 06:22:44  
I saw the tractor on Ebay. It doesn't look bad. I figure that the engine is from a combine, which is fine, I understand they use a different RPM range. Don't know if that's been changed or what problems it would cause if it hasn't. My guess is fuel consumption would be different if it hasn't. From my experience, unless you are pulling hard all the time you'll burn 5-7 gal per hour. They are a 6 cylinder tractor, they produce more HP and burn more fuel than a 4 cylinder tractor. They burn less fuel than a JD 4010/4020 gas tractor. 262 gas engines are very reliable, 262 diesel engines do have some head problems. Jumping out of gear can be a problem it the tractor has been shifted wrong for years. It would be NICE to KNOW that the tractor does not jump out of gear, sounds like you would have to take the sellers word for that. I've seen maybe 5 D-19 gas tractors sell at auction in the last 2 years around here, they sell for a couple hundred dollars either side of $2000. That is a whole lot more tractor and a whole lot less money than most D-17's.

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Hurst

04-12-2005 09:11:14




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 Re: D19 in reply to John (MO), 04-12-2005 08:29:54  
The seller said that it was the 262 buda engine, so I am guessing that it is the same as the d19 gas, The intake and exhaust are still set up for a diesel by the hood (intake in middle left). The seller said it didn't jump out of any gears, just said the hydraulics get weak when it gets hot, sounds like the wrong fluid to me. The seller seems like an honest guy, he has a 100% satisfaction so far, so I would take his word for the gear thing. If the engine is differnent RPMs, then wouldn't mounting the original governer off a d19 gas solve the problem for a combine engine? Other than the gears, is there much else to really look out for, like the hydraulics? I figure the cam is in good shape since he said there isn't any noise, but I will have to double check on that with him. Thanks for all your help so far, and if you want, you can e-mail me at [email protected].

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John (MO)

04-12-2005 11:52:19




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 Re: D19 in reply to Hurst, 04-12-2005 09:11:14  
AC bought the Buda company in 1953 to get the 230 diesel engine to use in the WD-45 Diesel. 10 years later for people to call the 262 a Buda engine is a stretch in my mind, but no doubt there were things AC learned in 1953 that could still be seen in 1963. I'm not sure if there is any difference at all between the blocks of a 262 diesel and a 262 gas. I think you are correct that if a gas combine engine was used, the tractor govenor needs to be use. It most likely was, but it's worth asking about. It does appear from the pictures that they kept the diesel air intake. I bet there is more room under the hood with a gas engine than a diesel because of the lack of the turbo. You may be correct about the hydraulic system problem, that would be an easy fix if you are. I have to think however that it would have been an easy fix that someone would have done in the past if that's all it took. I think you will most likely be looking at a pump overhaul sometime. I don't know of anything else particular to this model you need to watch out for.

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Hurst

04-12-2005 12:15:02




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 Re: D19 in reply to John (MO), 04-12-2005 11:52:19  
What will need to be done on a pump overhaul? Is it something that I can do myself? Is it basically just new seals? How much would I be looking at if I did it myself? had a professional do it? Do you have to split the tractor to do this? If so, is it a hard split, or similar to replacing a clutch? Thanks for all your help so far, I can't thank you enough for the help you have given so far.

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John (MO)

04-12-2005 12:44:29




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 Re: D19 in reply to Hurst, 04-12-2005 12:15:02  
No, I'm pretty sure you don't have to split the tractor to get the pump out. I really don't know how difficult overhauling the pump is. If I could find my flat rate manual that would give us an idea of how long it should take an AC mechanic. I always double that number for myself, then expect it to take longer. Right now I don't know where my flat rate manual is.



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Hurst

04-12-2005 14:25:59




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 Re: D19 in reply to John (MO), 04-12-2005 12:44:29  
If you are able to find it, you can e-mail me at [email protected] . Overall, would you reccommend buying the tractor? It is about 250 miles from my house, but my Dad's cousin has a 3/4 ton truck and a gooseneck trailer that he often uses to haul his 180 and larger kubotas. I am 15, so my big thing is whether I should buy this and try to make some money mowing fields and baling of if I should just save the money for a car? What price do you think I should go max giving my age and needs. Do you think I could pay it off baling and mowing with the tractor (my dad said he would let me use our b320 batwiny, 20ft, since he knows I have yet to tear it up yet)? Thanks for your hepl John, and anyone else who wants to give their opinion, feel free. I already have my dad's opinion, "Get as far away as possible from farming!!!" Thats why I decided to give boarding school a try this year, but once a country boy, always a country boy :)!

Hurst

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John (MO)

04-12-2005 15:16:25




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 Re: D19 in reply to Hurst, 04-12-2005 14:25:59  
I really don't have a clue if you can make any money with it or not. Too many local factors come into play there. As for the tractor it's self, at a farm or consignment auction here, it would typically bring about $2000. I have no idea what this seller thinks he can get out of it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were 4 or 5 thousand. Many people have no clue, they see JD 4020's bringing way over $10,000 or at least people asking that much for them and they think the market will support crazy prices across the board. It may be the owner has tried to sell the tractor locally and has a realistic idea, but don't count on it. You know the tractor has a 560 PTO and not 1000, right? You were talking about a 15 foot mower and I think a lot of them are 1000. If you have an idea of the jobs you can line up, and that you can charge enough to cover the crazy gas prices and all, it will be a lot easier to pay off a D-19 than any other tractor of it's size.

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Don Dittmar

04-12-2005 04:39:05




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 Re: D19 in reply to Hurst, 04-11-2005 18:34:49  
The D19 is set up like a D14. The Hyd pump is the 4 plunger pump driven from cams on the clutch shaft. There was only one remote, I suppose it is possible to add a second one as I have see it done. The good AC hydrualice did not start until the D17 IV or the D21



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