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D-17 Series II hydraulics and brakes seals

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Texas Denny

04-09-2005 20:37:42




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I finished the hydraulics and the seals on Thursday. Brakes had been done the Thursday before. Took about 2 hours to do the second wheel seal. And only about an hour to put the hydraulics back together. Allis Chalmers keepers are the nastiest little devils. I'm getting better at it. I'm faster and I'm learning tricks. I've got a couple of ideas that could have avoided those keepers entirely on the final drive. But, my ideas are probably more expensive. But they would have reduced the effort on these rear wheel seals by 50 to 75% (at least for me).

Anyway, I'm glad it is over with.

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Mark Stewart

04-12-2005 10:55:48




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 Re: D-17 Series II hydraulics and brakes seals in reply to Texas Denny, 04-09-2005 20:37:42  
Since you've done the hydraulic work, do you have a part number for piece 19 on the hydraulic pump drawing? It's a spring on the lift lower control. I don't have the parts manual, only the one drawing.



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Gatz

04-10-2005 18:47:02




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 Re: D-17 Series II hydraulics and brakes seals in reply to Texas Denny, 04-09-2005 20:37:42  
Denny, by "keepers", do you mean the snap-rings that holds the bull gears on the splined axle?

I had a heck-of-a time with mine also. Ended up rotating the whole final drive 180 deg so that the bull gear was UP. Made it alot easier to see and work on.

Used an overhead hoist to support the gear when I tapped the axle out. Then did same for assembly.

Still was a little tough getting them snap rings to go where they were 'spose to.

Gatz

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Texas Denny

04-10-2005 20:11:31




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 Re: D-17 Series II hydraulics and brakes seals in reply to Gatz, 04-10-2005 18:47:02  
Yes, I mean the snap rings. I took one off on the PTO thinking I needed it off to pull of the rear housing for the differential. That was hard to get on as well. Very frustrating. I don't feel right calling them snap rings. I'm used to snap rings being designed so that they can be easily removed and installed. These are anything but easy on and off!



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Gatz

04-11-2005 06:41:07




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 Re: D-17 Series II hydraulics and brakes seals in reply to Texas Denny, 04-10-2005 20:11:31  
This is probably a case of how things are designed so that only a "trained mechanic" would have the right tools to work on it.

I agree, they could've as easily used the type of snap-ring that has the small holes in it, so that you could use a standard snap-ring pliers, albeit at 90 degrees. There is plenty of room for that.

As it is, you have to use a spreader-type snap ring pliers and most people don't have them.

I didn't have them either and so had to use screwdrivers and a small prybar to get the rings off.

Also, Denny, you could call them by their sub-class name..... &%$*#@$ snap-rings

Gatz

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