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allis d-17 electrical nightmare

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m..buso

03-20-2005 05:34:23




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To start my story I this tractor {d-17} would not run under a load just learch against the governor until it died. It would run while idling then die if you let out on the clutch.. Now the tractor will not start or get any fire at all. I have replaced the points, spark plugs condenser,solenoid, ignition switch, coil, all the wiring and it will not fire, it is turning over great but I like everyone else do not have time to work on a trctor 2 hours to run it for 30 minutes. I also ran a wire from the hot side of the battery to the side of the coil that goes back to the ignition switch and still got nothing, anything any of you that read this that could help me it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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LeJo

03-20-2005 20:01:40




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to m..buso, 03-20-2005 05:34:23  
I have done it only once, the gas tank was empty,
(stupid stunt)



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lp gas only

03-20-2005 18:27:05




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to m..buso, 03-20-2005 05:34:23  
Did anyone bother to tell you a d17 just might be positive ground system? Hooking your pick-up to just might cause problems Gary



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Duey (IA)

03-20-2005 15:01:46




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to m..buso, 03-20-2005 05:34:23  
Let me explain a little about what happens to get a spark,,,,, ,1. Turn the key on..... this should get voltage from the battery to the coil then out of the coil to the distributor points. 2. When the points close this voltage is grounded..... ....this circuit is the LOW voltage circuit. 3. The coil is a step up transformer and the LOW voltage surge to ground through the points causes a HIGH voltage spark from the coil to the cap and rotor and to the spark plug. This is the HIGH voltage circuit.

Some things to check
1. With the dist cap off.....points closed.....ignition switch ON.....gently pry the points open only touching the part that moves..... there should be a spark when the points open. 3. If there is no spark..... short across the points..... if you get spark.....the points and condenser need to be replaced.
4. If there is no spark when shorting across the points..... .go to the coil and determine if there is voltage..... .if no voltage..... go to the switch.....etc. until you have found the problem.
5. When you get a spark while opening the points with the key on.... then check the cap and rotor for carbon tracks (dark line indicating the spark is grounding to metal parts of the distributor.) If you find carbon tracks inside the cap or rotor, replace them. 6.Then proceed to static timing procedure.
7. After static timing is done then check the coil for spark. Most automotive parts stores can also check the coil to see if it is good.
8. Be sure the LOW voltage system is working before replacing the coil.
9. Be sure all HIGH voltage wires are copper wire NOT the new carbon track automotive wire or resistance wire. 10. Do NOT use Champion spark plugs.

I hope this better explains where to look and what to look for.

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bigA

03-20-2005 17:32:21




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to Duey (IA), 03-20-2005 15:01:46  
I certainly appreciate the throughness of each and every answer on my problem so far. I will tell you what I did today, I changed the ignition switch, and I also hooked from my truck battery to the coil of the tractor and low and behold their was light, so I cranked and I cranked and I cranked and once in a great while I thought it was going to start. Although it never did I found that the stud going into the starter for the negitive side of the solenoid was loose, so I am hoping that is all that is left that can go wrong again thank you for the advice from all and I look forward to hearing from all of you again.

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djhIA

03-20-2005 18:15:20




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to bigA, 03-20-2005 17:32:21  
I know this sounds stupid and impossible. But did you put the distributor cap on backwards(180 degrees out). Your not supposed to be able to do this, but I did it once on my D14.



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steve(ill)

03-20-2005 05:57:55




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to m..buso, 03-20-2005 05:34:23  
if you have a new coil, and run a hot wire striaght to it, and still nothing. i would asssume the point is grounded or the wire to it is shorted to the case, etc.--- could possibly be a bad condenser also.--- i am assuming the distributor cap is not cracked, is clean and dry, and you have the spark plug wires and coil wire seated good into the cap.



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Burt in IA

03-20-2005 09:39:26




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 Re: allis d-17 electrical nightmare in reply to steve(ill), 03-20-2005 05:57:55  
If you pull the cap and cover plate above the points off you should be able to see if the points are firing when you turn it over. That should tell you in which direction you need to go, up stream or down stream. Good luck.



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