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Oil Pressure Oil Filter

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Terry Neudorf

02-14-2005 13:57:24




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I finally put a oil pressure gauge on my D14. It reads quite low, like about 10 psi at full rev. This seems low and I thought I read here that I shouldn't be using "WIX" brand oil filters as they are too restrictive(I'm using 10W30 oil for winter as it gets real cold up here in Canada).

If I change filter will it help up the oil pressure and what brand should I use?

Thanks




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Nick R (Wi)

02-15-2005 05:40:49




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 Re: Oil Pressure Oil Filter in reply to Terry Neudorf, 02-14-2005 13:57:24  
After reading Ronnie's test results, is it right to assume that the oil filter is at the END of the oil system on the B's? If this is correct this gives me a great understanding of the pressure verses flow reasoning.



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Rod (NH)

02-15-2005 07:50:00




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 Re: Oil Pressure Oil Filter in reply to Nick R (Wi), 02-15-2005 05:40:49  
Hi Nick,

Actually it's my test and analysis that Ronnie linked to. No, the filter is not "at the end" of the oil system. The B and others like it use a bypass type of filter system. About 15% (by design) of the total oil pump flow is bypassed directly to the sump through the filter. That bypass flow does not go to any bearings. Think of it as two parallel (not series) circuits - one to the bearings and the other to the filter. The actual bypass flow amount depends on the resistances in the filter portion of the circuit. The resistance of the filter itself is a significant portion of the resistance in the circuit. The pump pressure is limited to about 15 psig by an internal relief valve. The newer WIX & NAPA filters have a decreased resistance from the earlier versions of those same filters for any particular oil flow. For that reason, the bypass flow through the filter circuit to the sump is increased over the design flow. Since the pump is a constant flow device at any particular engine speed, the flow to the bearings is therefore decreased. The end result is a decrease in the oil pressure as measured upstream of the filter (downstream of the pump).

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Ronnie in TX.

02-14-2005 23:31:09




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 Re: Oil Pressure Oil Filter in reply to Terry Neudorf, 02-14-2005 13:57:24  

Filter Fram C 159



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souNdguy

02-15-2005 06:33:42




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 Re: Oil Pressure Oil Filter in reply to Ronnie in TX., 02-14-2005 23:31:09  
Seems the fram filter is built about the same way the owners manual describes it.. as a can packet with filter 'yarn'.

I'm running that fram on my G right now and have good pressure on my gauge.

Anyone know off hand if the 'g' uses a full flow system..or a partial flow system?

thanks

Soundguy



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Ronnie in Tx.

02-15-2005 10:59:38




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 Re: Oil Pressure Oil Filter in reply to souNdguy, 02-15-2005 06:33:42  

Model G --->bypass oil systen .



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Texas Denny

02-14-2005 15:01:42




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 Re: Oil Pressure Oil Filter in reply to Terry Neudorf, 02-14-2005 13:57:24  
Just the opposite. The WIX allows too much flow resulting in low oil pressure.



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