Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Allis Chalmers Discussion Forum
:

ca not charging

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Bobby Jones

01-22-2005 10:22:58




Report to Moderator

My ca is indicating that it is charging the battery at appx 20 amps but it still doesnt seem to charge the battery up as it should. The battery generator and reg are all new and the ammeter is indicating a discharge if the engine is not running so I assume it is working and wired properly. When first got it reassymbled 3 weeks ago it started flawlessly and turned the engin over fast and strong. But now it seems the battery is not charging up while running and is very sluggish when trying to start. Does anone have an idea what could be going on to cause this condition. I am at a loss as to what the problem is unless the battery has gone bad.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Texas Denny

01-22-2005 12:07:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: ca not charging in reply to Bobby Jones, 01-22-2005 10:22:58  
Bobby, don't know if I can point you directly at the answer. I need a little more information. Is your tractor battery ignition? If it is, a small discharge when the engine is off and the ignition is turned on is normal. This discharge shows the current needed for the iginition. It should show 0 charge with the ignition off. If you have magneto ignition, there should be no discharge whether the tractor is running or not except if the lights are on. If you have a discharge when the ignition is off on a battery ignition tractor, your cutoff relay is not working properly. (this is also true for magneto ignition) If you have a regulator, one of the coils in the regulator is a cutoff. If there is such a discharge, either the regulator or cutoff relay is bad. You also haven't said you have a generator but I assume you have. If you have an alternator, it is necessary to switch off the field current when you turn off the tractor. If the field is left on, it will discharge the battery.

Another piece of info would be helpful. Does the battery crank the engine well if you stop it after use and immediately try to start it? If it does, this is an indication that the generator(alternator) is functioning properly (though it could still be over-charging).

One last item, if the generator or alternator are charging at full current all the while you are running the tractor, the regulator has failed and this condition will destroy the battery after a period of time. It basically boils the battery to death. If you have a good voltmeter, measure the voltage of the battery when it is running and showing a charge and been running for 54 minutes. It should be between 13 and 14.5 volts. If it is over 15, this is bad for the battery - overcharge condition.

My email is open.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bobby Jones

01-22-2005 19:45:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: ca not charging in reply to Texas Denny, 01-22-2005 12:07:25  
Thanks for the reply Texas Denny. Sorry for generalizing in my earlier post, I was at work and didn"t have much time. I went to the expense of trying to keep the tractors electrical as close to original as possible. Still 6v pos ground w/generator etc. I have the distributor on mine not the magneto. I did however go from the cutout relay in the light switch to one I have mounted on the frame of the tractor. These are the conditions I have observed with it. Key off no discharge. Key on engine off shows a slight discharge. (coil I pressume) Key on engine on shows a charge of 20 amperes which fluctuates slightly. I used the tractor this evening and watched the ammeter closely and the charge rate is not droping off even after it has been running for a while. After reading your post I am thinking that I may have boiled the battery down and it may need water. I think you may be right and the regulator is bad. Its new but its also made in China. I will check the water level in the battery in the morning it is propably way down on the plates. Hopefully It isn"t shot all together otherwise I have to order another battery and regulater:-(

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
steve(ill)

01-22-2005 20:54:55




Report to Moderator
 Re: ca not charging in reply to Bobby Jones, 01-22-2005 19:45:10  
bob, a lttle more details--- the original 6 volt system had a cutout switch mounted on the generator (to the A terminal) and a resistor on the light switch that acts to set the charge rate of the generator. you say you eliminated the cutout? i assume you put a voltage regulator on the tractor. a voltage regulator has 3 terminals B,G,F. it will ovver charge if one of the coils inside is "stuck". if you have a cutout it has 2 terminals, one from the A on the generator and the other end goes to the amp meter. it only has 1 coil inside. the cutout works with a resistor on the light switch. the resistor trims the current output when the lights are off and gives full charge when lights are on. if you still have a cutout and eliminated the light switch and put the "F" wire to ground, you will get full charge all the time.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bobby Jones

01-25-2005 17:33:57




Report to Moderator
 Re: ca not charging in reply to steve(ill), 01-22-2005 20:54:55  
Steve I did go with a voltage regulator, but mine is a 4 terminal not a 3. The cutout has been replaced with standard light switch. I believe that the regulator has a coil sticking as you said and ordered one today. I"m getting a delco for it instead of the budget chinese on that is on there now. Brings to mind that "you get what you pay for". Thanks for the insight.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy